easterneagle87 Posted April 15, 2022 Share #701 Posted April 15, 2022 A new ebay buckle posting (eBay item number: 294913072075), Harley Davidson. Sooo... it looks P.I. made but not quite sure. How about some input. Next thought, why do folks think that Harley buckles need to ask such a high price? Currently asking $125. Hey, if you can get it, good for them, but I just don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineBuckles Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share #702 Posted April 15, 2022 Hey Ben, thanks for posting the Harley buckle. I love the eagle. Value is in the eye of the beholder/collector and based on supply and demand. Personally I wouldn't pay $125 (in 2022 dollars) but I'd pay $25. Coin / art collectors pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and even millions of dollars which is crazy IMO when you think of it. That's a league of collecting in a galaxy far far away. At the end of the day, none of us can take it with us when we go. Enough philosophizing.... I'm not 100% sure, but I think the Harley buckle posted above was made in Korea not the Philippines. Notice the edge boarder design and the back of the buckle are not styles seen on Philippine buckles. Attached is the back of the Harley buckle. Note that the bail is not fixed in place like on Philippine buckles rather this is how buckles are made in Korea. Best Regards, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 16, 2022 Share #703 Posted April 16, 2022 16 hours ago, PhilippineBuckles said: Hey Ben, thanks for posting the Harley buckle. I love the eagle. Value is in the eye of the beholder/collector and based on supply and demand. Personally I wouldn't pay $125 (in 2022 dollars) but I'd pay $25. Coin / art collectors pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and even millions of dollars which is crazy IMO when you think of it. That's a league of collecting in a galaxy far far away. At the end of the day, none of us can take it with us when we go. Enough philosophizing.... I'm not 100% sure, but I think the Harley buckle posted above was made in Korea not the Philippines. Notice the edge boarder design and the back of the buckle are not styles seen on Philippine buckles. Attached is the back of the Harley buckle. Note that the bail is not fixed in place like on Philippine buckles rather this is how buckles are made in Korea. Best Regards, Bill Got that impression from vforvictory1945 as well. I agree with the backing, sure is a close comparison though. Enjoying all of the sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 18, 2022 Share #704 Posted April 18, 2022 Aviation Electronics Technician P.I. belt buckle currently for sale, I just can remember where. Mercari, FB, Offer up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 18, 2022 Share #705 Posted April 18, 2022 13 hours ago, easterneagle87 said: Aviation Electronics Technician P.I. belt buckle currently for sale, I just can remember where. Mercari, FB, Offer up I found it, it's on Etsy for $35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 18, 2022 Share #706 Posted April 18, 2022 Continuing with my posts #'s 692 & 700, Although not P.I. carved, these Hong Kong carved buckles are similar in appearance but don't have the quality carving as their P.I. brothers they are nearly as interesting and reflect a time (basically the earlier Cold War era) when sailors wanted to wear a little swag with their uniforms. Here is another that has been posted on Etsy for quite some time. Aviation Boatswain Mate and I believe it says "Fury", can be yours for $34 & s/h. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 20, 2022 Share #707 Posted April 20, 2022 Interesting buckle up on ebay right now that was brought to my attention by vforvictory1945. I'm not a Navy guy, but this seems like a pretty odd rate, Machinist Accountant. What did they do? Count machines? Absolutely no offense to those whose worked and held that rate. Additionally, we discussed the design. It looks P.I. made, but the name looks more like Hong Kong engraved. Maybe they had it made and then on another port of call in HK they thought, "Hey, I meant to have them put my name on it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchbuff Posted April 21, 2022 Share #708 Posted April 21, 2022 4 hours ago, easterneagle87 said: Interesting buckle up on ebay right now that was brought to my attention by vforvictory1945. I'm not a Navy guy, but this seems like a pretty odd rate, Machinist Accountant. What did they do? Count machines? Absolutely no offense to those whose worked and held that rate. Additionally, we discussed the design. It looks P.I. made, but the name looks more like Hong Kong engraved. Maybe they had it made and then on another port of call in HK they thought, "Hey, I meant to have them put my name on it." That is the data processing (DP) rating badge. I believe this rate was around from about 1967 to the late 90s. Their job was to operate date processing and similar machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineBuckles Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share #709 Posted April 21, 2022 It could be (and likely was based on the style) a Machinist Accountant rate at the time it was engraved. Here is an excerpt of the current IT rating history from https://stationhypo.com/2018/06/04/history-of-the-information-system-technology-it-rating/ "In 1948 the navy combined the Punched Card Accounting Operators and Key Punch (Operators and Supervisors) specialist ratings to establish the Machine Accountants (MA). Experts in machine-accounting procedures, the MA rating responsibilities included operating accounting machines and maintaining key-punching and key-verifying equipment to record statistical data on tabulating cards. They also prepared routine and special reports based on the information they received and analyzed. Typically, MAs served on large ships and shore stations. Data Processing technician (DP) rating badge In 1967, the MA rating name and designation was changed to Data Processing technician (DP). The DP rating was responsible for operating and maintaining transceivers, sorters, collators, reproducers, interpreters, alphabetic accounting machines, and digital electronic data processing machines for accounting and statistical purposes. They were used extensively to operate accounting systems in order to maintain personnel records, keep tabs on the receipt and transfer of supplies and disbursement of money as well as to keep track of all equipment the Navy owned. As the technology changed, so did the jobs of the DP rating. Because their work moved into the realm of information and communication systems rather than simply processing data for computer manipulation the Navy on October 1, 1997 disestablished the DP rating and merged the rating into the radiomen rating." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineBuckles Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share #710 Posted April 21, 2022 I agree that the engraving style of the name (J. A. Justice) is not really seen on other Philippine buckles. It could have been added anywhere. Maybe Hong Kong, Guam, or even in Japan. Here are examples of "Philippines" buckles without and with someone's name (G. W. Schliere) engraved on them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineBuckles Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share #711 Posted April 21, 2022 Having palm trees flank the central design and the palm trees take up all the vertical space is uncommon but here are three examples. The bottom one (USS REPOSE AH-16) looks the closest to the J. E. Justice buckle IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 25, 2022 Share #712 Posted April 25, 2022 Here's a beauty that just popped up on the 'bay'. Naval Aerographer, R. B. NOWLAN, 1953 - 1954, PHILIPPINES A makers mark on the back, but not a really good picture of it. Listing says, Maker: Cruz And Sons It's got a "Buy It Now" price. From the seller, vintagebeltbuckles, they previously had an F-18 "JUDY" oval buckle listed a ways back. They have over 4400 buckles listed presently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 25, 2022 Share #713 Posted April 25, 2022 Here is a really nice vintage Naval Aviator, ART VOHDEN, buckle that recently sold on the 'bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 25, 2022 Share #714 Posted April 25, 2022 Found this one while searching through the "lots". MAGCOBAR. This was in a lot of 4 buckles. Looks like the company is based in oil and petroleum production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 25, 2022 Share #715 Posted April 25, 2022 16 hours ago, easterneagle87 said: Here's a beauty that just popped up on the 'bay'. Naval Aerographer, R. B. NOWLAN, 1953 - 1954, PHILIPPINES A makers mark on the back, but not a really good picture of it. Listing says, Maker: Cruz And Sons It's got a "Buy It Now" price. From the seller, vintagebeltbuckles, they previously had an F-18 "JUDY" oval buckle listed a ways back. They have over 4400 buckles listed presently. OK, I know it was late when I posted this buckle last night, BUT ... I could've sworn this buckle was first listed at $75. Now looking today it's at $95. WTPhilipp!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skir Posted April 25, 2022 Share #716 Posted April 25, 2022 Here are a few recent pick ups. Lady at the Flea market has a good eye and keeps em coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 26, 2022 Share #717 Posted April 26, 2022 WOW-ZA!! Those are awesome! Great finds!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 26, 2022 Share #718 Posted April 26, 2022 5 hours ago, easterneagle87 said: OK, I know it was late when I posted this buckle last night, BUT ... I could've sworn this buckle was first listed at $75. Now looking today it's at $95. WTPhilipp!?! It was at $75!! , as it was the last item on my phone when I shared it w/ vforvictory1945! before I realized it, I swiped and the image was gone. I’m going to message them and ask what’s up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 29, 2022 Share #719 Posted April 29, 2022 Well, I took an honest shot at this USMC buckle lot that just sold on the 'bay. Congrats to the winner. I sent a low ball offer initially that was ignored by the seller. I would've too, but it never hurts to take a shot. I do prefer the cut-out buckles, but overall it was a good lot. Saving $ money this month. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted April 29, 2022 Share #720 Posted April 29, 2022 Another one that I will save $ on as well. A decent rectangle Mason's buckle that will end tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted April 30, 2022 Share #721 Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, easterneagle87 said: Another one that I will save $ on as well. A decent rectangle Mason's buckle that will end tomorrow. Nice! Masonry has a pretty long history in the Philippines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted May 2, 2022 Share #722 Posted May 2, 2022 Current buckle within a lot, "Lew" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharfmaster Posted May 2, 2022 Share #723 Posted May 2, 2022 Not sure if the engraving on this one was done in the P.I. but it's well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted May 2, 2022 Share #724 Posted May 2, 2022 New listing up on the 'bay, Aviation Metal Smith, R.S. OLINGER, VC-1 , Taiwan, Okinawa, Wake Isl, Japan , China. Great subject matter! $70 with a BIN option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted May 3, 2022 Share #725 Posted May 3, 2022 OK P.I. buckle hunters and fans, here's is a lead for you from Liveauctioneers; Navy, Marine Corps, Naval Academy Belt Buckle Lot of 10 Sterling (#0286) on May 14, 2022 | CNY Militaria & Collectibles Auctions LLC in NY (liveauctioneers.com) I tried to copy the link and the above descrip appeared. ANY-HOO. Two buckles in the lot - USS Swordfish WestPac 86 and L E Redden Good luck and happy hunting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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