WW2 Prototype M1 liner

[Burning Hazard]

Rear seam too!!!

[Burning Hazard]

Liner

[Burning Hazard]

Auction link, curious what this one will go for?

 

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/ULTRA-RARE-WW2-US-HELMET-LINER-PROTOTYPE-similar-to-HOOD-RUBBER-Co/173869369069?hash=item287b6c06ed:g:v0IAAOSwCRxcrlXF

[WWII_GI]

That one looks like the same style as the first one but with a protective rim and thicker paint on it. Notice in the last picture posted above in the crown of the liner the green paint has worn away and shows the low pressure style material.

 

Very interesting liners, never seen any similar, they definitely could be some kind of prototype liner.

 

-Steven

[Pudgy (V)]

I don't think it has a liner at all. I think the suspension is attached straight to the metal shell, you can see the bolts holding it in. Maybe they were experimenting on a one piece configuration instead of a liner and shell configuration. I would think it would be cheaper to do it this way, and also faster. Pretty cool!!!!

[Wake1941]

2nd one looks similar to the titanium prototypes they made

[1canpara]

I don't think it has a liner at all. I think the suspension is attached straight to the metal shell, you can see the bolts holding it in. Maybe they were experimenting on a one piece configuration instead of a liner and shell configuration. I would think it would be cheaper to do it this way, and also faster. Pretty cool!!!!

I thought that at first too, but if you look at the area that Ive circled, it appears to have a rough patch almost like the fibre liners sometimes had, it looks like a composite or fibre-like material as opposed to steel in my opinion, and the rim doesnt look like metal either.

 

 

[aef1917]

This one looks like a low-pressure liner made to look like a steel helmet.

[Justin]

You can see the second one looks to be the same low pressure material as a Saint Claire liner, the boarder also looks to be made of a similar material, just painted over.

 

Of the few prototypes I have seen these two would be the only two I have seen with what looks to be standard rayon webbing.

[Pudgy (V)]

I just emailed the seller. He said the liner is "made out of strips of canvas, impregnated with resin"

 

Interesting, it sure looked like metal to me.

[mdk0911]

do you see all the other good stuff he has for sale?

[aef1917]

do you see all the other good stuff he has for sale?

 

The USMC m1917 is one I am staying far, far away from.

[USMC-RECON0321]

 

The USMC m1917 is one I am staying far, far away from.

 

I was thinking the same thing. Check completed listings also.

[MattS]

 

I was thinking the same thing. Check completed listings also.

 

I presume you are referring to these sold listings all from the same seller?

[USMC-RECON0321]

 

I presume you are referring to these sold listings all from the same seller?

 

Yes.

 

They all seem very sloppy compared to other known examples?? Except for the 2nd one from the bottom, but still seems off, like it was rubbed?

[MattS]

I'm not qualified to offer an opinion on any of those helmets, but knowing the rarity of WW1 USMC helmets, one seller who has sold 6 in 2 months raises my eyebrows.

[CWG]

I'm not qualified to offer an opinion on any of those helmets, but knowing the rarity of WW1 USMC helmets, one seller who has sold 6 in 2 months raises my eyebrows.

 

I strongly agree.

[dustin]

The second liner/helmet posted looks a lot like the props used in the TV series Combat. Something like season three or four they switched to non-original steel pots since the weight caused discomfort when long days on the set. A readily available liner modified to simulate a real M1, perhaps ?!!

[doyler]

The second liner/helmet posted looks a lot like the props used in the TV series Combat. Something like season three or four they switched to non-original steel pots since the weight caused discomfort when long days on the set. A readily available liner modified to simulate a real M1, perhaps ?!!

 

Was thinking the same...movie prop.

[RememberThe5thESB]

When you zoom in real close on the interior you can see thin paint, and what to me looks extremely similar to high pressure liners, the "weave" they have per say. I'm leaning to wondering if these were heavily modified for movie props, like putting "strips" of fabric over the exterior of the liner to give it a more M1 shape (with plaster or something?) Then repainted and given a rim. While knows really.

 

Thay and if these were real prototype liners, and I dont care the condition kept in, you'd at least expect more wear, and even dust over their 70 plus years of existence. Something about them is honestly just too new imo.

 

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[Justin]

By the way, the second liner some for $1,625.00

[Roger K]

Hello all! I'm a newbie here but have used the site for great info and research many times! It looks like my first post will be a long one! I'm bumping this thread about the prototype M1 helmet/liner combo piece similar to the 2nd one in this thread. I have similar one that may be of interest and answer a few questions about this type of helmet. (I'm no expert on this, just did a lot of research!). As you can see this one is a thick weave fiberglass/resin helmet with a very thick metal rim. I don't see a seam anywhere. Inside are the remnants of a helmet liner suspension/nape strap. Unfortunately the only thing left are the rivets that held it in place. It has an unusual  metal chin-strap piece on each side near the rim, maybe where a chin-strap hooked in? The last pics show it next to an M1 liner, and a metal M1 type helmet. The size is similar to the liner, and obviously smaller than the metal helmet. It weighs 1 pound 16 ounces, so more than a liner and less then an M1. I do believe this is one of the many prototypes submitted, and is a "combo helmet/liner". It would make some sense to do something like this to save time and money. Just speculating though. I am looking forward to what you all think of this helmet. The paint has a "crinkly" finish, just might be from age though. Hard as a rock! So here are a bunch of pics of it. Whatever it is, it's pretty cool. Thanks!

[Justin]

I'm pretty sure thats just a relic condition Iraqi M80 helmet. 

[Roger K]

Hey Justin, possibly, they are similar. I checked out a bunch of the Iraqi helmets on-line, most don't have rims (unless rubber) and have a triangle shaped 3 rivet system for the chin-straps. Also most M80s seem to have the traditional helmet liner pattern. This is almost like an old fiberglass "goalie mask" weave. ???

[FT.Monmouth1943]

Indian army helmet. Not US.

 

- Jakob