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#1 lamebrain

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:14 PM

I recently acquired these from a collector. He said they were at least 1 of 2 experimental rank insignia from the 1950's. They may have been meant to issued to personnel in hazardous jobs i.e. firefighters etc. Can anyone positively identify these?

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#2 DutchInfid3l

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:32 PM

Page. 137 in "Into the Blue, Uniforms of the USAF, 1947-Present"
It reads:
Prior to the adoption of the blue and silver grey as official colors for the USAF Enlisted chevrons, various other colors trials were submitted based on the old Army Air Corps colors of orange and blue, and even red and yellow were used for the Marine Corps enlisted chevrons.
Accompanied photo from Book, attributed to the Lackland AFB Airman Heritage Museum
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They are very rare. Nice find!


Edited by cutiger83, 28 May 2014 - 05:59 AM.
Updating dead photo links 5/28/14


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:36 PM

Now I did not know that! :)

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:31 PM

You will see these pop up on ebay from time to time.

IMHO, their selling prices do not indicate how hard they are to acquire.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:15 PM

Nah, these were not for the Air Force but for Marines, enlisted Marines in the Marine Air Wings, it was only experimental, but as we can see it did not fly :P

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:22 PM

Page. 137 in "Into the Blue, Uniforms of the USAF, 1947-Present"
It reads:
Prior to the adoption of the blue and silver grey as official colors for the USAF Enlisted chevrons, various other colors trials were submitted based on the old Army Air Corps colors of orange and blue, and even red and yellow were used for the Marine Corps enlisted chevrons.
Acompanied photo from Book, attributed to the Lackland AFB Airman Heritage Museum
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They are very rare. Nice find!



I can see the Orange on Blue, but Gold on Red, what was the proposed wear of these going to be on ? Anyway the guy who thought up that color combination of Gold on Red should, to use a line Gregory Peck said in Twelve 0'Clock High " Have His Brain in a Glass Jar at Harvard " because it remembles identicaly the colors of the Marine Corps Dress Blues Enlistedmens ranks, or didn't he notice that :w00t:

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:05 PM

All I know is what book reads; the chevrons were approved for wear before the blue uniform was approved. These designs were one of several presented to 150 NCOs at Bolling AFB in the late-1947 or early-1948.

This book is written with the help of several USAF Historians, one of which is attached to the Lackland AFB Airman Heritage Museum for which this photo is attributed to. It's their archives.

As to why gold on red? Who knows... maybe the one that suggested it liked the color combo, perhaps he had an admiration for Marines. You're guess is as good as mine.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:08 PM

I think they're perfact for Marines who are attached to an Air Force Wing Command.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:39 PM

All I know is what book reads; the chevrons were approved for wear before the blue uniform was approved. These designs were one of several presented to 150 NCOs at Bolling AFB in the late-1947 or early-1948.

This book is written with the help of several USAF Historians, one of which is attached to the Lackland AFB Airman Heritage Museum for which this photo is attributed to. It's their archives.

As to why gold on red? Who knows... maybe the one that suggested it liked the color combo, perhaps he had an admiration for Marines. You're guess is as good as mine.


My guess is that the new Branch was infiltraited by Marine Officers, who made believe they had transfered over, with the Documents and reassignment orders etc to boot ( all phony of course) , to sabotage and confuse the group designing the new Air Force Uniforms and Insignias :whistling: :lol:

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:41 PM

Seen on eBay recently: metal version from same period. Authentic?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:08 AM

Yes siree, ya learn something new just about every day on this forum. I've been collecting USAF insignia for nearly 40 years now and have never seen this. Well, some of us thought that the odd-ball colors were manufacturers loom test runs to make sure the chevrons were being embroidered correctly, OR back in years past, these were supposed to be from some Banana Republic Air Force. Finally, at last we have the correct info! :thumbsup:

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 07:26 AM

I want to move this thread to the top.  I am interested to see pictures of these styles of USAF chevrons.  I have only seen in person a few, but from the info provided so far, there must be higher rank ones out there.



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Posted 18 October 2015 - 05:37 AM

By this time of the Air Force's evolution, the Civil Air Patrol, the Air Force's Auxiliary, had already worn red chevrons. At the time, the red was meant to differentiate them from the rest of the Army Air Forces.

 

I wonder, too, if it was not a throwback or just something to do with the Army transitional uniform where the colors of the metal insignia and buttons were gold?

 

Would have really clashed with the blue uniforms -- unless there was something else being planned.


Edited by flyboy53, 18 October 2015 - 05:48 AM.



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