Brig Posted August 28, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 28, 2007 nice officer M37 dress emblem, early H&H pattern, with applied continents. pinback and rear marked 'H&H' and Sterling. is this a private purchase dress emblem or sweetheart piece? regulation size. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted August 29, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 29, 2007 What size is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted August 29, 2007 same as all other officer collar emblems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLM Posted August 29, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 29, 2007 Brig, I'm assuming you mean the same size as the H-H service collar size? This type is the smaller version of pin back "sweet heart" pin made by Hillborn & Hamburger during WWII. Yours should have the gilded or gold washed anchor and continents, but many times, this cheap wash has been polished off. There is also a larger size that is identical in size and appearance to the H-H dress collar emblem that can be found with both integral and applied ropes, only dress collar emblems of the period didn't have ropes. The larger size "sweet hearts" also have the same pin back fastener. With these type emblems, you'll always find rights and never lefts. s/f, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted August 29, 2007 yes, H&H collar emblem size. sweetheart piece, eh? seems to be from the same machines as the standard collar emblems, minus of course the screwback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted August 29, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 29, 2007 Hey Tim, thats correct... pins not screwback and from same dies. From my observations few had any gold applied. The cap emblem was typically gold & silver w/ a "cast" anchor rope... not applied. s/f Darrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted August 29, 2007 I'll have to check to see if the continents are gold or gold-washed. if washed, they've retrained the finish it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLM Posted August 30, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 30, 2007 I believe all of these left the factory with the gold wash finish, but it was so thin, it was probably polished off or worn off in a couple of years. Not much more than paint really! I've owned several of the small "sweethearts" like this, still on jewelry cards that had 100% gold wash remaining. Looking at your photos, it looks like there is still some of the remaining gold wash in the recesses of the anchor flukes. The larger dress collar size pin back "sweethearts" came with both "cast" and "applied" ropes. I believe these, like all sweetheart jewelry pieces came in differing degrees of quality, depending on how much someone wanted to spend. Some of the larger dress collar size pieces also have the applied anchor with the circular spot in center for a screw post, but have been turned into pin backs. As stated, both sizes appear to have been cranked out of the same stamping dies as the official collar emblems. Here is one of the larger pieces with applied rope and anchor. This is the 1-1/4" dress collar size, not the 1-3/4" cover size. As you can see, this emblem probably started out as an official screw back dress collar emblem, but then was converted into a pin back with rope applied for "sweetheart" sale. Identical in every way to the dress collar emblem, with the exception of pin and rope. s/f, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted August 30, 2007 thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted September 1, 2007 Share #10 Posted September 1, 2007 Here is the common garden variety "sweetheart" EGA... with the cast anchor rope http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...A:IT&ih=014 hammer went down at $227 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted November 2, 2007 Share #11 Posted November 2, 2007 Here's a dress EGA from Col. L.G. Ditta. It's pinback, were both pin and screw-back used concurrently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted November 3, 2007 Share #12 Posted November 3, 2007 Since there is no gold on this one, I'm wondering if this started out as a service uniform ega, and has since been cleaned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted November 3, 2007 Share #13 Posted November 3, 2007 It's a Sweetheart emblem. Semper Fi....Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonomachi Posted December 13, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 13, 2009 This EGA is the smaller than the WW2 era hat pieces. It is about the same size as the larger pin back older collar pieces that I believe USMC officers wore. However while going over the reference in this forum I couldn't find one of the older officer collar pieces with the attached rope. So is this piece a hat or older collar piece? Could it be a sweetheart piece? It has the H&H and sterling hallmark. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted December 13, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 13, 2009 It's a sweerheart piece - non-reg. Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share #16 Posted December 13, 2009 a fairly common piece as far as sweetheart goes, these still vary in price range on eBay from 25-75 bucks. the fluctuation is so crazy I still haven't added an example to my personal sweetheart collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonomachi Posted December 13, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 13, 2009 Thanks for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGA-DOG Posted January 7, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 7, 2010 I don't think these are sweetheart. I have seen a matched pair on shoulder knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGA-DOG Posted January 7, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 7, 2010 Also, notice fouled anchors on the collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leatherneck72 Posted January 7, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 7, 2010 Also, notice fouled anchors on the collar. Brig is 100% correct...the photo of the EGA that started this thread is without question a sweetheart piece. The photos that EGA-GOD has posted show some HH collar emblems that have had a rope added after factory manufacture. Probably by a jeweler. Two totally different emblems.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGA-DOG Posted January 7, 2010 Share #21 Posted January 7, 2010 I know these are two different eagles.When I find the pic of the shoulder boards I will post.Pic was shown to show collars with fouled anchors. I'm not new to EG&A's.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcaviator Posted January 7, 2010 Share #22 Posted January 7, 2010 The EGA to start this thread is a late WW2 to early 1960's sweetheart piece, no question. I have not yet seen these in pinback sets for epaulletes in many many years of collecting. The photo is comparing apples and oranges. Totally a different EGA pattern. We just saw a set of these HH's with ropes added a few weeks ago on Ebay. It was a practice which was done by officers against regs. The ones pictured in the photo did not originally come that way, sorry! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGA-DOG Posted January 8, 2010 Share #23 Posted January 8, 2010 So what you are telling me is H&H made this as a sweetheart pin.Then someone took it and added the rope?I don't think so.Just my two cents.I'm not trying to talk you down sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly USMC Posted January 8, 2010 Share #24 Posted January 8, 2010 to clarify... The emblem in the first post is of a sweatheart emblem. It was made that way by Hilborn Hamburger. Not a regulation uniform item. The photo of the officer wearing the pre 62 EGAs with a fowled anchor (Rope) was a set modified by probably a jewler. They did not come from the factory that way. Semper Fi John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted January 8, 2010 Share #25 Posted January 8, 2010 Here's your piece and below that one of the H&H sweetheart pieces I've sold (I think I've sold perhaps three of these over the past couple years): And here's a similar, but different piece from http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...?showtopic=9985 And this from the same discussion as the above piece: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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