My Ongoing Medical Department Collection

[GAZOO]

44 minutes ago, otter42 said:

Very impressive display case! Well done.

  Thanks very much. I Literally had a dream one night and that was the result :)
I was dreaming an old memory of the STAMP Display at our local  Woolworths Dept store
It was a whole isle of panels you could flip through. Woke up and started building
No Print or plan, :)

 I have 3 extra panels simply because after I assembled it,  I could not lift it even
with help :)🤪

[GAZOO]

Newest additions to the collection. Makes a fun group :)


 

[OSIAF]

Good Morning.  I have these medical insignia and scores of medical DUIs I am interested in selling.  My father spent over 40 years in the Army Medical Corps.  We collected these back in the early 80s.  I am happy to take additional photographs and part with individual pieces and/or as sets.

[GAZOO]

44 minutes ago, OSIAF said:

Good Morning.  I have these medical insignia and scores of medical DUIs I am interested in selling.  My father spent over 40 years in the Army Medical Corps.  We collected these back in the early 80s.  I am happy to take additional photographs and part with individual pieces and/or as sets.

Sending PM

[GAZOO]

Thanks so much to OSIAF as
I will now be able to fill in more then a few holes :)
I now have added this collection to mine. What a AWESOME way nearly double what I have

Some of the needed items

Field Hospital #3 Collar and Caduce  along with  FH 1 , Collar, Caduce, Hat badge & FH2 Caduce,
FH 10 caduce ?
a different P
a couple different WWI Ambulance Caduce's

I needed most of the combat medic badges along with different maker wings to add for fun :)

So much fun to look forward to

[GAZOO]

Received the OSIAF Collection ABOVE 😍
 Took 3 days from posting to my Front Door 👍

Was able to add the 2" N.S. Meyer Silver Brown N (Faded Red ?) Flight Nurse Wings

INTERESTINGLY it has a Raised N.S. Meyer maker mark, have read the incised mark
was the earlier ? also sporting a PIN BACK

Looks like the one posted in post #23 but with PIN BACK
and slightly different Meyer mark

[GAZOO]

Both ACID TEST Clutch Back
Flight Nurse Wings 2"
One Silver with a Nice Bow (see top edge shot)
One Gold Tone

Two ACID TEST
Flight Nurse Wings



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ACID TEST GOLD TONE
Flight Nurse Wings
Back



ACID TEST GOLD TONE
Flight Nurse Wings
Front



ACID TEST GOLD TONE
Flight Nurse Wings
Top Edge



"ACID TEST" SILVER
Flight Nurse Wings
Front



"ACID TEST" SILVER
Flight Nurse Wings
Back



"ACID TEST" SILVER
Flight Nurse Wings
Top Edge NOTE the Curve

[Steve D.]

I have a pair of N.S. Meyer wings similar to the pair you have listed above. Notice that the back of the wing is not marked Sterling. 

My pair is also not marked sterling, nor is the pair featured on the Wings of WWII web page.

[GAZOO]

4 minutes ago, Steve D. said:

I have a pair of N.S. Meyer wings similar to the pair you have listed above. Notice that the back of the wing is not marked Sterling. 

My pair is also not marked sterling, nor is the pair featured on the Wings of WWII web page.

 Are yours the same format marking (Shield under) and Pin back ?
Oh is the N more Red or still brownish ?

I should go and look over the Wings page again, its been awhile since I compared anything :)

[Steve D.]

Mine are identical to both yours and the pair on the WWII wings website. 

[GAZOO]

Still Sorting / Researching and adding this above collection, So much Fun 👍

Here are a couple New Re-Organized Displays, Looks like its time to enlarge the Frames
OR start splitting things up a little more :)

i still have the Hat Badges and Caduces Sets (Red, Black) to Re-Organize AGAIN 😊

Here is the Flight Surgeon/Nurse Wing collection I have been able to assemble
Second photo shows the ones with PIN BACK all turned over, the others are clutch back


The Backs showing the PIN BACKS



WWI / Pre WWII Caduces

[GAZOO]

Started working on the HAT BADGE Collection
Here is a new addition to my collection, still need the earlier US Version
(others to be posted soon)



 

[GAZOO]

1908 to 1916  Pennsylvania National Guard / 28th Division
Field Hospital HAT BADGES
anyone have or seen
F.H. 3 or F.H.4
 

Originally I thought these were Collar insignia, but according to the following
they are HAT BADGES. 🤩

I assume a number 4 must exist as well
 

Not sure about the NUMBER 3 pictured, it does not have the F.H. but maybe ?
 

Ref: History of the Combat support branches by Laframboise

****************
Pennsylvania National Guard G.O. # 15 Dated 8 June 1908
Describes the following HAT ORNAMENT for Field Hospital Enlisted Men.

Metal KEYSTONE, having a Caduceus flanked with the letters " F.H. "
and Number of Field Hospital Above
****************

Some ADDITIONAL INFORMATION Found

ONLY 4 Field Hospitals

I cant remember the book or reference title I found the following info in ☹️
I can only find the printed pages 434 thru 439 with NO BOOK or Ref title listed ???
I think it was SOMETHING along the lines of "Pennsylvania National Guard History"
or something close,
 

  On page 436, titled "FIELD HOSPITALS"  28th Division
It STATES:
They had 4 Functioning Field Hospitals with different responsibilities.
One operated the triage and cared for nontransferable wounded,
another for gassed cases,
and a third for the sick,
The FOURTH was held in reserve to cover when needed

BTW I seem to remember The Screw back hat badge started in 1896 but I will need
to find My Ref Notes.

[manayunkman]

8 hours ago, GAZOO said:

1908 to 1916  Pennsylvania National Guard / 28th Division
Field Hospital HAT BADGES
anyone have or seen
F.H. 3 or F.H.4
 

Originally I thought these were Collar insignia, but according to the following
they are HAT BADGES. 🤩

I assume a number 4 must exist as well
 

Not sure about the NUMBER 3 pictured, it does not have the F.H. but maybe ?
 

Ref: History of the Combat support branches by Laframboise

****************
Pennsylvania National Guard G.O. # 15 Dated 8 June 1908
Describes the following HAT ORNAMENT for Field Hospital Enlisted Men.

Metal KEYSTONE, having a Caduceus flanked with the letters " F.H. "
and Number of Field Hospital Above
****************

Some ADDITIONAL INFORMATION Found

ONLY 4 Field Hospitals

I cant remember the book or reference title I found the following info in ☹️
I can only find the printed pages 434 thru 439 with NO BOOK or Ref title listed ???
I think it was SOMETHING along the lines of "Pennsylvania National Guard History"
or something close,
 

  On page 436, titled "FIELD HOSPITALS"  28th Division
It STATES:
They had 4 Functioning Field Hospitals with different responsibilities.
One operated the triage and cared for nontransferable wounded,
another for gassed cases,
and a third for the sick,
The FOURTH was held in reserve to cover when needed

BTW I seem to remember The Screw back hat badge started in 1896 but I will need
to find My Ref Notes.

Having lived almost half my life in PA I have a love for anything military from PA.

 

Well done.

[GAZOO]

5 hours ago, manayunkman said:

Having lived almost half my life in PA I have a love for anything military from PA.

 

Well done.

Thanks I enjoy sharing the info

Here is another Hospital Steward and 3 Hospital Corpsman hat badges.
Still trying to Pinpoint the date range .

BEST I can figure would be 1902 to 1908 using the
Ref: History of the Combat Support Branches by Laframboise
Considering Pg 99 mentions the 1902 G.O. Changing the Hospital Steward Cap Badge
to a Wreath of Gilt Metal surrounding a Caduceus of White Metal.
and then below that it is NOTED
Hospital Corpsman of the Pennsylvania National Guard wore a hat badge designed with a White Keystone
having the Unit Number above the Caduceus superimposed on the keystone

Since the # 1 PA cap badge with wreath is a complete soldiered version I suspect it is
the hat badge of the 1 HOSPITAL STEWARD of the #1 PA N.G. Unit

The lower Hospital Corpsman Hat Badges are Nice as well as it also shows
they were using the RED, WHITE & BLUE Color scheme.
I included a EMPTY wreath from a bit earlier that could have been used
as the outer wreath on these but expect it was the silver cross with
metal prongs that was part of the collection

Oh I did find the NOTE REF; for the DATE when the
SCREW BACK was INTRODUCED 1896

Ref: Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms By W.H.Emerson
Page 199 Fig 11-146
Mentions the SCREW BACK was introduced in 1896



      

[GAZOO]

Anyone know of a more RECENT Reference Catalog for the MEDICAL DUI's

  I still  have between 3 and 4 hundred to go through and noticed some are
not listed in this  1967 -1975 catalog ?
The approx number in this catalog is 800

The AMEDD has a collection of over 1000 so its certainly not a complete listing
 

MEDICAL CORPS DISTINCTIVE INSIGNIA CATALOG
Printed by
The American Society of Military Insignia Collectors
Published MARCH 1967 CATALOG
 

I noticed some Information with 1975 dates so expect it has been updated into the 70s

[hardstripe]

The edition you have is the most recent published and available from ASMIC. Yes, it is over 40 years old. There have been a ton of new DUIs released and a zillion redesignations of many medical units. I think there is a new edition being worked on.

ASMIC has been working the past few years in updating their DUI catalogs to include new and redesignated units as well as converting the catalogs to color images. This is a long process conducted by volunteers. You can view the selection of ASMIC catalogs on the website at WWW.ASMIC.ORG.

If you are a member, you can search the ASMIC Trading Post Index for medical units. You can search as a non-member but as a member you can access the actual Trading Post Issue. I just searched the Index for "medical" and it turned up 1920 entries; Hospital - 1015; dental - 110.

Plus, there have been numerous articles about Medical Insignia.

A Digital Only ASMIC membership is $25.00 per year.

 

[GAZOO]

36 minutes ago, hardstripe said:

 searched the Index for "medical" and it turned up 1920 entries; Hospital - 1015; dental - 110.

Plus, there have been numerous articles about Medical Insignia.

A Digital Only ASMIC membership is $25.00 per year.

 

YES INDEED a Very Deep Rabbit Hole I seem to have stumbled into
 
Thanks so much for the Heads-up on the upcoming update :) I will have to keep my eyes open for the release.
Color will be sooooo much better :)

Oh Yes I purchased this through ASMIC sometime early last year.
Should be a great carry along for filling in the holes. Dont mind marking
it up since its only loose leaf printed pages I put in a binder

 

[GAZOO]

Back down the RABBIT HOLE 🤣

Just finished sorting and organizing this 3 to 400 pc pile of Medical DUI's
The final count here was 243 different, not counting variations.

I do believe there are some 1900 different DUI's in total
I need to find😝 🤪 🥵





Looks like I can fit 160 DUI's on one side of each panel
or 320 both sides X 6 panels for 1920 DUI's
YES a VERY DEEP Rabbit Hole



 

[GAZOO]

WORLD WAR II
AMERICAN FIELD SERVICE
Ambulance Driver Group

i recently picked up this AMBULANCE DRIVER (Charles Murray) Group.
The most interesting thing to me is the WWII American Field Service MEDAL.
I have a World War I Example in a different group and immediately noticed

the Ribbon Color difference and Slot Broach, did they change the center ribbon color
to YELLOW for WW II Service ?

The medal on the LEFT is from a World War I Group, only included to show different ribbon color

INCLUDES: Sterling Silver cap badge, shoulder patch, side cap hat device, WW2 American Field Service Medal w/W&B ribbon bar.
Matching AFS Collar insignia AND the Sterling wrist ID bracelet























world war i BELOW



World War II BELOW





Below this ribbon came with the WORLD WAR II Group and has the more orange center
I looked inside the wwii ribbon to judge fading and I only see a slight change so the medal ribbon
was originally that more Yellow version

[GAZOO]

  AMERICAN VOLUNTEER ARMBAND
With Stamp by the
1915 FRANCE, MILITARY AUTHORITY - MINISTRY OF WAR

This French Ministry of War Stamp reads " Section Sanitaire Automobile Americaine " this was changed in 1915 to " Section Sanitaire American "
( still need to document that timeline)









 

[GAZOO]

Picked up this MINTY FRESH Ambulance and Marker Flag, Looks like 9 - 62 Vintage ?
Is it a replica flag ?

Was still sealed in the Plastic Bag,

Box is marked 9 - 62 which I THINK is the date code
There are Leather Loops sewn into each end and a sewn label inside
of one End as well



 







 

[GAZOO]

1915 - 16  American Ambulance Field Service, Convoy Flag, ?
Typically flown from the front cab of the Ambulance.

Has Stamp Described as "French Ministry of War Stamp" ? (see example provided at end)
with Leather Reinforcement Tabs

Front


Back


Stamp


EXAMPLE of stamp for Comparison
(Image found on Internet)

 

[GAZOO]

U.S. NAVY, MARINE, MEDICAL CORPS
World War I Victory Medal
with
MALTESE CROSS
for Noncombatants in FRANCE
between 6 April 1917 & 11 Nov 1919

 

 

Ref: THE INTERALLIED VICTORY MEDALS OF WORLD WAR I
by Alexander J. Laslo First Edition No 40/765
Pg 110

 

NAVY Regulations of 1931 Entitled a Bronze Maltese cross, 3/16 in Dia. to be worn on the Service RIBBON of the Victory Medal.

Both Officers and Men of the Marine Corps, Medical Corps, U.S. Navy attached to the A.E.F. in France between
6 April 1917 and 11 Nov 1918 and NOT entitled to a Battle Clasp Provided by G.O. 83 of 30 June 1919

Pg 111
Has note stating
The Navy Department while recognizing overseas noncombatants that the Marines and Sailors of the American Expeditionary Force
were Entitled the ARMY-STYLE France Clasp

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Seems an Unconventional practice was to place the Cross on the Suspension Ribbon,
a number of named Marine Groups have examples of the VM with the cross on the suspension ribbon.
speculation is since they were not approved or awarded until some years after the war
Most simply placed the cross on the Medal Ribbon since the Medals were worn at most events
after the war it fells likely thats what has happened

 

My Newest Addition



 

 

[GAZOO]

Since I have run out of room in these displays and will have to Enlarge or break-up ?
additional items on the way 😊  I figured I should post these before they get changed,

Oh BTW I picked up this Chest, I Initially thought it was a Map/blueprint chest but after moving it
and realizing this is made from FLOOR BOARDS & reading the drawer labels I realized this was a
HARDWOOD FLOOR Finish display chest
Made by Professional floor installers,
Explains why the drawers are as deep as they are
1" depth
Fits this type of framed displays very nicely and suspect it will hold My Medical Collection until it
outgrows it