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Almost completed my
MEDICAL DEPARTMENT CADUCEUS COLLECTION


Anyone have a HD (Hospital Dietitian Corps) they would like to sell me :)
last one needed to have one of each

 

This is my collection so far

   Next I need to fill in the different Color Variation SET's (One of each Red, Black and Gold)
 

Best guess, please correct me if you notice my assumptions are wrong 🤪

  1st assumption I suspect the post WWI (Pre WWII) time period the
center letters were Gold in color, Like the WWI style
 

   BY 1944 they were RED for Medical and GREEN for Veterinary, according to the
1944 US ARMY MEDICAL DEPARTMENT BRANCH Organization Chart
 

Sometime later (Korean time line) ??? they all went to BLACK,
Again these are just my assumptions PLEASE Correct me if I
 

The WHITE N Nurse I have read was 1942 and only for a short time ?
The BLUE N Nurse has been assumed post war air-force ?
 

My Collection so Far

Oh whats the deal with the WHITE E ???
Or the reason the chart below has a Warrant Officer Collar pin shown ??? I added one just because but ????

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Still working on the WWI versions,
Need the
RA Reconstruction Aid,
S Sanitary Corps,
CS Contract Surgeon,
A Ambulance Service

Anyone know what the RC Stands for, have not been able to find that one anywhere else

at the bottom are what I suspect are Post WWI versions without the C but still in the Gold Finish.

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29 minutes ago, GAZOO said:

Anyone know what the RC Stands for, have not been able to find that one anywhere else

 

Possibly the Medical Reserve Corps which was made up of credentialed civilian physicians who were willing to help the army when needed.

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1 hour ago, obg131 said:

 

Possibly the Medical Reserve Corps which was made up of credentialed civilian physicians who were willing to help the army when needed.


  Thanks, I suspect that's it :)
Thinking maybe those large White E are for ENLISTED ?

Here is another that may be a Sweet Heart Pin ? Screw back clutch type posts

I really like the design with the additional BACKGROUND WINGS

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SIZE Comparison
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I have a memory of reading that some non-military nursing schools used that same caduceus design. Perhaps the one with the "E" is from one of those. Or, as a longshot it stands for "Emergency?"

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36 minutes ago, atb said:

I have a memory of reading that some non-military nursing schools used that same caduceus design. Perhaps the one with the "E" is from one of those. Or, as a longshot it stands for "Emergency?"


   Thanks, I had not considered the EMERGENCY possibility 😉  Much appreciated 👍

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3 minutes ago, jayhawkhenry said:

Very nice collection.


  Thanks, I have added a few more interesting ones and completed the BLACK letter set :)
Will be post photos of the sets as I finish them 🤩

 

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Coming along, only need a few pieces to finish the ARMY post WWI set ( RED P & HD)

NEXT I need to start replacing with the SMALL early winged caduceus. 🤪

Also still working on the
1) ARMY WWI Caduceus and Pins
2) NAVY / MARINES Medical wings and Pins
3) AIR FORCE Medical Wings and Pins

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Here is What I have managed to put together on the Early & WWI Medical Caduceus
the Material Green Maltese Cross at the top is a reproduction (filler)
The Silver & Gold tone Maltese Cross are supposedly Period (1902),
Old stock was supposedly found and Now common in the collector market
If anyone has information on them I would be interested to hear :)

  From what I have read it looks like the original badge/pin was a
RED Maltese Cross and then a GREEN Maltese cross that was replaced
by the CADUCEUS sometime around 1902,

  I am still learning and reading so the above info should not be taken as
fact, its only my early understanding

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Something I had thought I noticed earlier

The C on this Caduceus looks GREEN to me

i kinda thought so when I was looking
earlier and now that I go back and look at my photo below I can see
a Greenish color, maybe i am colored blind does anyone else see Green ?
GREEN CONTRACT SURGEON
Did the VETERINARY Corps have Contract Surgeon VETs ?


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WOW just noticed this statement in the
" Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms "
about the P Caduceus insignia used by the Pharmacy Corps

 

  Actual PEAK Strength in  April 1945 was Only "70 Officers"

May explain how/why I got caught up in a UN-Holy bidding war on one :)

 

 Pharmacist transferred from the Medical Administrative Corps
(Both Officers and Enlisted) to the Pharmacy Corps after its
creation on 12 July 1943, Members began to were the Brown P on the
caduceus in 1947
 

 Regulation between Aug 1943 & Mid 1947 called for Pharmacy Corps
Members to wear a BROWN P on there Caduceus Insignia in 1947.
A common but unauthorized version was a BLACK P

WAS THERE A RED VERSION in 1943 ?
 

This statement

  Actual PEAK Strength in April 1945 was Only "70 Officers"

May explain how/why I got caught up in a Un-Holy bidding war this one :)



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Very interesting and beautiful collection!  Can you enlighten me on a couple details regarding these medical insignia? 

What if any is the significance on the black letter version with and without the gold boarder / frame? 

Was it standard to have the brown letter on all of these after certain date; was it 1947 perhaps?  I have a silver flight nurse wing with a brown N. 

Thanks for you insights, research and sharing!

 

Dennie

 

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2 hours ago, atb said:

Depending how far back "early" is, you are missing the Geneva Cross badge was worn in before the Maltese Cross. 


  Thanks buddy, As far as I have been able to figure out the earliest was a RED CROSS Silver border(Geneva Style ? ) and then they
went to the ARMY GREEN Cross with silver boarder and then the Catacues insignia

  Still learning and researching, thanks for the lead, Very much appreciated

Just picked up the C.S. (Contract Surgeon) Bronze collar pin that has been added to the WWI set, another limited number item
now need the H.D. Bronze collar pin as well :)

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2 hours ago, busternfo said:

Very interesting and beautiful collection!  Can you enlighten me on a couple details regarding these medical insignia? 

What if any is the significance on the black letter version with and without the gold boarder / frame? 

Was it standard to have the brown letter on all of these after certain date; was it 1947 perhaps?  I have a silver flight nurse wing with a brown N. 

Thanks for you insights, research and sharing!

 

Dennie

 

  Thanks so much, I kinda thought this specific area would be an easy set to put together, NOT :)

Again I am still new to researching these pins, But my limited research leads me to the understanding
the BLACK letters were POST WWII (1950s)

  I have not paid a lot of attention to the different styles produced BUT I suspect the
caduceus with the GOLD Boarders are earlier than the full black, just thinking it would of been cost
effective to paint them instead of inlay ? Also I suspect many of the PLAIN gold colors letter catuces
are simply worn off black lettering

I have seen White, Black, Red, Blue, Brown and the Gold color letters on the caduceus
but have restricted my collection to WWI and the WWII Red , Brown and later black lettering examples

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2 hours ago, busternfo said:

Very interesting and beautiful collection!  Can you enlighten me on a couple details regarding these medical insignia? 

What if any is the significance on the black letter version with and without the gold boarder / frame? 

Was it standard to have the brown letter on all of these after certain date; was it 1947 perhaps?  I have a silver flight nurse wing with a brown N. 

Thanks for you insights, research and sharing!

 

Dennie

 

Just re-read you post and forgot to talk about the SILVER flight nurse brown N Caduceus
dont think i have ran across a silver with brown N :) I am not sure about that one.

There was a SILVER with Black W/S Cadeucs that was used between 1947 and 57,( according to the same book mentioned above).
Worn by WOMAN who served as Dieticians and Therapist as part of the WOMAN'S MEDICAL SERVICE CORPS in 1947
Funny thing is the photos I see look just like the MS Caduceus with the MS Turned over ?
Anyway could be a SILVER Army Medical Caduceus from around the same period used for Woman Corps ?
But thats just a guess :)

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56 minutes ago, GAZOO said:


  Thanks buddy, As far as I have been able to figure out the earliest was a RED CROSS Silver border(Geneva Style ? ) and then they
went to the ARMY GREEN Cross with silver boarder and then the Catacues insignia

  Still learning and researching, thanks for the lead, Very much appreciated

Just picked up the C.S. (Contract Surgeon) Bronze collar pin that has been added to the WWI set, another limited number item
now need the H.D. Bronze collar pin as well :)

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Find Emerson's Encyclopedia of Army Insignia and Uniforms. It has a chapter for each of the Army Branch of Service (BOS) insignia. Also, the volume of Laframbois' three volume set with the Medical Corps insignia is good. The US Army Institute of Heraldry website is a helpful source for the history and timeline for Army BOS insignia.

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22 minutes ago, atb said:

Find Emerson's Encyclopedia of Army Insignia and Uniforms. It has a chapter for each of the Army Branch of Service (BOS) insignia. Also, the volume of Laframbois' three volume set with the Medical Corps insignia is good. The US Army Institute of Heraldry website is a helpful source for the history and timeline for Army BOS insignia.

 Thanks so Much Yes the "Emerson's Encyclopedia of Army Insignia and Uniforms" is in my library, actually the one I quoted above but I shortened the title :)

Thanks for the lead on
Laframbois' three volume set with the Medical Corps insignia
I have not read that yet

The AMEDD News letters are a great source as well and I do beleive I found the
30 something PDF newsletters on that US Army Institute of Heraldry website

Thanks so much appreciate any help or direction :)

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Working on the NAVY Medical display, a ways to go

Something I noticed about the NAVY Medical department insignia
NO NUTS for the WOMAN 🤣

Navy Flight Surgeon Wings have one Acorn (1 nut) in the center
Navy Dental Corps have two Acorns at the bottom
Navy Supply Officer have three Acorns at bottom
NAVY Nurse NO Acorn or No Nuts :)

 

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Here's the silver flight nurse wing I mentioned in my post #16.  I've learned this is a post-WWII wing since the Meyer hallmark is in relief, not incised. 

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2 hours ago, busternfo said:

Here's the silver flight nurse wing I mentioned in my post #16.  I've learned this is a post-WWII wing since the Meyer hallmark is in relief, not incised. 

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  I like it :) a lot.  Interesting I thought the Brown was before the white
 

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