FRISCAN Posted January 30, 2008 Share #1 Posted January 30, 2008 Evening Guys, Alright. So, I've got someone telling me that "Jungle Packs" existed in the ETO. What do you think? I don't see it happening being that the Model 1944 and 1945 Combat Packs were the next alternative in line to the Model 1928 Haversack. Also not to mention it the thousands of WWII late war ETO pics I've seen I am yet to see one "Jungle Pack." The other reasoning I'm thinking is there is no "Jungle" so why would they even be issued to any combat unit within the last few days of the war? Moreover his individual is telling me it was the 7th Infantry Regiment Battle Patrol and I have a couple of pics of them within four days of the closing of hostilities still wearing the Model 1928 Haversacks. I am an AVID historian of the U.S. 3rd Infantry Division and I have well over 400+ pics of the various units within the U.S. 3rd Infantry Division and NONE of those show the "Jungle Packs." So, what is your take on this information?? Thanks for your time, FRISCAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTGSANCHEZ Posted January 30, 2008 Share #2 Posted January 30, 2008 They existed, early too.... Page 170 - Doughboy to GI" Photo showing an LT in Italy - April 1944 with the pack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 30, 2008 Share #3 Posted January 30, 2008 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...?showtopic=1059 Look here for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted January 30, 2008 Share #4 Posted January 30, 2008 Fact, OD jungle packs were worn in the ETO. They were utilized as a replacement to the M-1928 pack. They are a much better alternative. Obviously they were used by a small number of units. This is born out in the limited number you see in pics compared to the M-1928. My OD Jungle pack is dated 1943. This could put it as being used in Europe in 1944. The M-1944 pack set was only used very late in the war. Remember you need the M-1944 suspenders for the pack set as well. My M-1944 pack set: Field pack, cargo and suspenders are all dated 1944. This could put it as being used in Europe in 1945. I have not seen a picture of the M-1944 set being used earlier than 1945. The US military supply system was a very funny beast. The newer packs of course would be issued to newly raised units (or newly inducted replacements) in the US. The troops already serving in Europe would have to wait until the supply system caught up. Usually post war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limestone Posted January 30, 2008 Share #5 Posted January 30, 2008 Hi! I've seen 4 jungle packs found at Brest (Brittany, campaign: August september 44). Two are complete with all their straps. one was found in Le Conquet peninsula (29th ID or Ranger Bn), another in the Crozon peninsula (8th ID), a third in Guipavas (2nd ID) and one more in a garbage north of Brest. I know about one photo showing GI's near Brest and one has the jungle pack. I still have one of them at home from Crozon. I'll look better at the date and manufacturer and will put photos here. Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgawne Posted January 30, 2008 Share #6 Posted January 30, 2008 The thing to keep in mind is that the OD version was not a "jungle" pack- it was the M43 field pack. It was the 1943 replacement for the M1928 system. Whjich in teurn was replaced with the 44 system. There are a number of photos that show ETO guys with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 30, 2008 Share #7 Posted January 30, 2008 The Jungle Pack existed in both OD and camo. The M43 pack was made in OD and is the same design but larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 30, 2008 Share #8 Posted January 30, 2008 Hi Friscan, back in the early 80's I was over in Holland for the celebrations of the Rhine crossings. I was invited to attend a gathering of U.S. airborne veterans at the Nijmegen town hall, I was asked to wear airborne uniform in honor of the veterans there. I had a lengthy conversation with the one veteran about his service life, his training, life in England and his drop into Normandy and onto the Rhine drop. I enquired as to what items of uniform he was wearing during all these periods. His memory was pretty good on the stuff, I enquired as to what back pack they were using by the Rhine period, he said they had got rid of the small musette packs after Normandy and he described this large sack, and with his hands intimated the size, and all these straps running vertical and horizontal on the pack. I initially thought that he was trying to describe a M-1928 pack, however he was adamant that that was not what they used and insisted it was a totally different sack. Now I never gave a thought to the ' Jungle ' pack being used in Europe after all it was designated a jungle pack. Six months later I received a photo of his unit crossing a river in Germany and on their backs was this large ' jungle' pack. Now as to which sack he was using I don't know, as there are now known to be two sizes of this sack and they are identical in construction just size difference. I hope this helps, but maybe it just muddies the water more. However when reenactors get locked into ' paras use musettes ' then this gentleman's recollections and photos blows that out the water. Cheers ( Lewis ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenm Posted January 31, 2008 Share #9 Posted January 31, 2008 Hi Ken, Have you still got that pic of the (what I guess will be judging by your description) 507th PIR guys using M43/Jungle packs in Germany? That'd be interesting to see! Cheers, Glen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 31, 2008 Share #10 Posted January 31, 2008 Hi Glen, when it re-appears I will let you see it, however I will have to clarify that with, that since the early eighties when the meeting happened, I have moved house three times, been divorced ( once ) and had my collection crated up for the last twelve years ( two moves ) ???. See you in June in Normandy I imagine. Cheers Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenm Posted January 31, 2008 Share #11 Posted January 31, 2008 Haha... I knew you'd come back with something like that! And I can certainly sympathise, currently having most of my collection in banana boxes and flat clothing boxes so the kit room can be redone in order to sell my house..! Yep, see you in June by the sounds of it. Hope your breakfasts are going to be good.... It does sound an unusual story of course relating to that pic, especially as the 507th (which it must be, being both in Normandy and the Rhine Crossing) were obviously still using M36 Musettes in March 1945 for Varsity. So I'd like to try and work out when that pic was taken! Cheers, Glen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 31, 2008 Share #12 Posted January 31, 2008 haha, decorating eh so you can move to a larger kit room ( sorry I meant house ) C U in June, ( Lewis ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limestone Posted February 22, 2008 Share #13 Posted February 22, 2008 Well, I finally found the photo taken at Brest. I still did not take a picture of my "Crozon" M-43 pack (which is dated 44). Two soldiers are shown wearing the famous pack here... This is the only "Brest campaign" photo of those packs I know. Enjoy! (And I just like very much this photo ...) Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted February 22, 2008 Share #14 Posted February 22, 2008 Yannick, Any idea what unit these guys are from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limestone Posted February 22, 2008 Share #15 Posted February 22, 2008 Yannick, Any idea what unit these guys are from? No Johan, no idea, as if I have tried to locate that place all over the years... But it just looks like many places around here... Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limestone Posted February 23, 2008 Share #16 Posted February 23, 2008 Photos of my jungle pack from Crozon. the laundry number is stamped on two different places on top of the bag which is dated 1944. The bag was found in Saint Efflez farm, place of hard fighting for the 3rd Bn 28th infantry Regt Sept 15th-17th 1944. Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Marine Posted April 28, 2008 Share #17 Posted April 28, 2008 Hi FRISCAN, Here is my two cents. This is a late war photo was taken in Germany. You can clearly see the "Jungle" pack. My opinion is that these were used in the ETO. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolman Posted April 28, 2008 Share #18 Posted April 28, 2008 no question the M43 field packs were used in the ETO both italy & NW europe...numbers were limited compared to the M28s & mussetes but they were much more than the M44s back in the 1981 as a kid i bought some staff from the flea market in athens greece & the dealer packed my staff in a M43 field pack that i had no clue back then what it was & gave me the pack for free just as we get nylon bags for free in the super market...i remember this pack & there was something strange abt it..the main top flap with the zipp compartment was all missing!!!...main compartment was closing with a drawstring...i dont recall if the flap was taken off by a knife or something...is there any early version of this pack were the top flap was detacheable? bc i read somewhere that early versions of this pack had detacheable flaps!!! maybe mine was this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted April 29, 2008 Share #19 Posted April 29, 2008 Do you have any idea where you read the top was removable? I have never seen or heard of any except for the sewn on top. If you can please post a copy of your source material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Andrews Posted April 29, 2008 Share #20 Posted April 29, 2008 Many years ago I recall seeing combat photos of the 71st Inf Div in Germany, with the troops wearing the jungle pack. Whereas the 71st started out as a "Light" or "Jungle" test Div in the ZI, maybe the packs were "standard" in that Div. Anyone have 71st photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolman Posted April 29, 2008 Share #21 Posted April 29, 2008 Do you have any idea where you read the top was removable? I have never seen or heard of any except for the sewn on top. If you can please post a copy of your source material. yes craig...it was the US army combat equipments 1910-1988 by gordon rottman osprey publications- men at arms series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtRGFRANK Posted April 29, 2008 Share #22 Posted April 29, 2008 Look at page141 and 145 of Shely Stantons Uniforms of WWII. Shows good pictures of the pack. He discribed as first known as revised Jungle pack later called the 43 Pack. Mine is made by Hinson Mfg Co and dated 43. I believe its the smaller one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtRGFRANK Posted April 29, 2008 Share #23 Posted April 29, 2008 Forgive my bad typing. Its Shelby Stanton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted April 29, 2008 Share #24 Posted April 29, 2008 yes craig...it was the US army combat equipments 1910-1988 by gordon rottman osprey publications- men at arms series That book is famous for it's many errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolman Posted April 29, 2008 Share #25 Posted April 29, 2008 That book is famous for it's many errors. true!!! many errors in this book...simply that comment in the book abt the detacheable M43 flap intrigued me bc mine had no flap!!! okay..i think someone unstitched the flap with a knive to make it a simple duffle bag style pack...thats all...my M43 was simply butchered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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