hink441 Posted March 3, 2012 Share #1 Posted March 3, 2012 I have had this knife for a couple of years and I have never understood the fitting on the scabbard. The scabbard appears to be a MK1 scabbard under the leather with a USGI belt attachment on one side. The other side has what looks like a rifle sling attachment or possibly a British web gear attachment. I was hoping somebody more knowledgeable than me can provide an answer. I can't really tell what it is. This knife was supposedly used by a 502 trooper in WW2. Thanks for looking. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomcatPC Posted March 3, 2012 Share #2 Posted March 3, 2012 Could that have been made from the remains of a belt? The sort of belt that was used with the Army Class A uniform? It does not look like the fittings for the British Pattern-1937 or 1908 Web Equipment to me. Hope that might be of some help? Thanks Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomcatPC Posted March 3, 2012 Share #3 Posted March 3, 2012 This is the belt I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccyooper Posted March 3, 2012 Share #4 Posted March 3, 2012 This is the belt I'm talking about. I concur with tomcat... it appears the soldier just took his old 4 pocket jacket dress belt and made the scabbard lacing it together with a leather shoelace. In about 1942 or 1943... I'd have to look it up but the belt was no longer rqrd/authorized to wear with the jacket so it was excess... and oh by the way.. nice knife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted March 3, 2012 Share #5 Posted March 3, 2012 I agree.Looks like the garrison belt was used to make a scabbard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted March 3, 2012 I think you guys nailed it. That looks exactly like the one Mark provided. I would have never have guessed that it was an old belt. Thanks guys. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomcatPC Posted March 3, 2012 Share #7 Posted March 3, 2012 Did I actually get something right? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solcarlus Posted March 4, 2012 Share #8 Posted March 4, 2012 Bonjour. I have a doubt on the authenticity of the handle :think: regards solcarlus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share #9 Posted March 4, 2012 Bonjour. I have a doubt on the authenticity of the handle :think: regards solcarlus. So you think it is a fake ?? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsellati Posted March 4, 2012 Share #10 Posted March 4, 2012 So you think it is a fake ?? Chris Chris, I love the scabbard and its field-expedient origin, but I have to agree with solcarlus. I have some concerns about the authenticity of the knife. Let me pull some photographs of mine together for comparative purposes. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsellati Posted March 4, 2012 Share #11 Posted March 4, 2012 Here are some photographs of my Au Lion Model 1918 'trench' knife for comparison - Notice how the model markings are relatively deeply struck, whereas the markings on your handle are quite shallow and are unevenly struck (or perhaps just well-worn?) - There also appears to be some differences in the Au Lion marking as well. For instance, look at the distance between the "Au" and the "Lion" on my knife and yours. And, there are some more subtle differences in the lion itself - One of my greater concerns is the poor finishing on the 'cut back' (just above the lion) of your knife compared with my example - You can see how clean and sharp the 'cut back' is on the other side as well - Perhaps solcarlus will chime in with his thoughts and especially his greater expertise with these knives than I have. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #12 Posted March 4, 2012 So you think it is a fake ?? Chris, I can't say for sure. The detail that bothers me the most is the back-cuts of the blade. Although the quality of the casting of the handles vary a lot in Au Lions, the back-cuts on the one's I've seen are well-shaped (rounded and smooth). I will post photos of my two, Tim's, and yours for comparison. Here is my first one; little remains of the reposed lion mark, but look at the back-cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #13 Posted March 4, 2012 My second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #14 Posted March 4, 2012 Tim's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #15 Posted March 4, 2012 Chris' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #16 Posted March 4, 2012 As far as the handles, like I said, they vary quite a bit. Here is the handle of my first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #17 Posted March 4, 2012 My second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #18 Posted March 4, 2012 Tim's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #19 Posted March 4, 2012 Chris' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabnatcyr Posted March 4, 2012 Share #20 Posted March 4, 2012 hello This handle is very good. it was obtained by molding. and copies the following markings are more or less deep was soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabnatcyr Posted March 4, 2012 Share #21 Posted March 4, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share #22 Posted March 4, 2012 I will admit there is quite a striking difference in the cut-back of the blade and of the distance between the words Au & Lion. I am at work today and am unable to look at the knife. I will have to take some more pics tommorrow. I had never had any doubts of this knife before, now I don't know. Thanks for the comments and observations. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #23 Posted March 4, 2012 This handle is very good. it was obtained by molding. and copies the following markings are more or less deep was soon I noticed that this handle had the top grooves like Chris' & Tim's. Both of mine have the no-groove handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solcarlus Posted March 4, 2012 Share #24 Posted March 4, 2012 Marking of the handle: Marking of the blade: solcarlus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted March 4, 2012 Share #25 Posted March 4, 2012 Here are a couple of photos of my French M-1916 Le Vengeur knife, the daddy of the M1918 Mk 1. Notice the well-shaped back-cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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