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    • Chrwag
      Opinions on if this this badge is the real deal. 
    • Guy56
      I have done some searches and found good video showing Dutch troops, but all, examples appear to have solid domes, and some appear metallic, but no examples with the small vent holes yet. I attached some examples. Because of our shifting focus, I recommend that we shift to messaging on this topic for anything not focusing on the USAREUR helmet fielded by soldiers in U.S. Army units. 
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    • Laurencek
      Figured out that he is leaving Union Station which is presume is Washington D.C.
    • Laurencek
      Trying to research military service of Captain J.H. Skivery, No. 0388147. Comm Zone, ETO. Can anyone figure out departure and destination City on Southern Pacific Railroad Ticket also? Thanks
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    • larkworthy
      Group,   Below are pictures of a Smith & Wesson Schofield, 1st Issue, that was later issued to the San Francisco Police.  This revolver, 2996, was shipped on July 12, 1875 for the United States Army as part of a 1000 unit shipment. There were approximately 3,000 first issue Schofields that were shipped to the Army  An additional 5,285 2nd Issue Schofields were issued to the Army.  2nd Issue models had a few design changes, but the easiest way to tell is by serial number (greater than 3000), the top latch has a different design, and the right grip has a military acceptance stamp (if still present).  In addition to the approximately 8,285 issued to the military, there were 35 first issue models and 650 2nd issue models that sold through commercial channels.  The most obvious difference between military and commercial models is the lack of the U.S. Stamp on commercially sold Schofields.  Since military marks can be removed, the best way to tell is to send in for a factory letter to the Smith & Wesson historical foundation.  https://swhistoricalfoundation.com/letters-new/   There is some debate amongst collectors if the 35 first issue commercial revolvers were within the first 3000 serial numbers or if they were within the first 3035 serial numbers.   The other interesting feature of this 1st Issue Schofield is the presence of a large stamp on the knuckle of the frame (237).  Below is a write up from an auction house that provides a good summary of the San Francisco Police use of the Schofields.  There are other articles written by COL Charles Pate that provide even more detail.    Another interesting chapter in the story of the Smith & Wesson Schofield occurred in the San Francisco area during 1877 and 1878. In 1873, an economic depression had afflicted most of Europe and had migrated to American shores. While the combination of factors creating the crisis were multidimensional, one that directly affected the American West was the Coinage Act of 1873, the decision to move from a gold-silver monetary system to the gold standard. This ended the minting of silver coins in America, which had a disastrous effect on the silver mines of the west, as the value of silver plummeted with the government no longer buying it for use in coins. Additionally, the economic collapse had started in the major cities of the east, primarily New York, Boston and Chicago, and the lack of jobs and economic opportunity had caused many Americans to move west. The pressures placed on western US economies by the precipitous drop in silver value and the increased population resulted in widespread unemployment, particularly in urban centers like San Francisco. The end result was that thousands of unemployed and disenchanted people struggling to survive and in search of hope. Many found a hopeful message with the Workingman’s Party of the United States, a socialist labor movement. On July 23, 1877, some 8,000 members and interested parties gathered near the San Francisco City Hall for a “meeting”, which by the end of the night had devolved into a massive riot that lasted well into the next day. One of the points of tension, and a classic cry of those who would incite violence during hard economic times, was that the problem was the “foreigners”. Little thought was given to the fact that nearly all of those who gathered for this meeting were immigrants themselves who had only been in the United States for one or two generations. The chosen scapegoat were the Chinese laborers, whose massive influx over the last decade had resulted in lower wages and fewer job opportunities for newly arrived easterners. The cry of “Chinamen must go!” echoed through the night and would become the rallying cry for the Workingman’s Party, which would be the genesis of the Socialist Labor Party of America. The riots eventually petered out after heroic efforts by San Francisco Police, supported by the state militia which was called out as well. Soon thereafter a group of concerned citizens known somewhat derisively as the “Pick Axe Brigade” was formed to assist with the suppression of the violence and to discourage further rioting. However, it would take more than a year before the constant threat of possible riots would pass, and much longer before the racial tension would moderate. During this time, the San Francisco Police determined that they were woefully ill-prepared and under equipped to deal with such mass civil unrest. To that end some three hundred US army Schofield revolvers (both first and second models) were issued to the San Francisco Police Force during 1877 and 1878. According to research by Charles Pate (see his Man At Arms article on the subject), the guns were issued from the Benicia Arsenal (about 35 miles north-east of San Francisco). Since 1851, Benicia had been the primary US arsenal on the west coast and would remain so through the mid-1960s. According to Pate’s research, all the revolvers issued to the SFPD from the Arsenal were stamped with large, individual inventory numbers on the backstrap, behind the hammer. Although there are records of the guns being issued, there is no evidence that they were ever returned it seems likely that since the guns were already falling out of favor and most were soon to be sold off as surplus, that the US Army simply did not put any effort into retrieving the three hundred revolvers. The guns no doubt remained in service with the SFPD until they were obsolete, and likely replaced with double action .38 caliber revolvers around the turn-of-the-century.  
    • militbuff
      Interesting.  It could have been added.
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    • Guy56
      Cool stuff. Even though I’ll be focusing on U.S. use, addressing other users is important as well. I’ll be looking very closely at photos of Belgian and Dutch armor crewmen. Please let me know if you find anything. Thanks very much!
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