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    • sigsaye
      Follow up:  anyway, Dungarees were considered like coveralls. They were for dirty work. Until 1963, (IIRC), CPOs and officers were authorized to wear them for dirty work, officers would wear them for things such as inspecting bilges, inside boilers, chain lockers and such. Same with CPOs, but they would also wear them while supervising dirty work, such as, the work that required the officer to put Dungarees on,  and inspect. But, yes, those are legitimate issues dungarees. Generally, until, the 1963 regs, (again, IIRC, please correct if I’m wrong), dungarees didn’t require a name on the outside, inside the waist band on the trousers and in the tail of the shirts. Lots of guys  did, put names on the outside, to make them harder to steal. No rate insignia was authorized or required until later ( you see some drawn on). My dad retired in 1967, and still didn’t wear crows on his dungarees. He had some, just never put them on. He didn’t put a crow on his dungarees jacket either. Actually, his undress blues and whites, only had crows, no Hashmarks or UIMs, but, again, they were working uniforms and not meant to last more than a season before requiring replacement. We would get Marines on board and they would comment on our faded and stained dungarees, ( not to mention scruffy boots). I’d tell them that being a seagoing Sailor was like living and working in the engine compartment of a ‘57 Ford, running down a dirt road at 65 MPH, while on fire, for weeks at a time. 
    • cutiger83
      I know you are a proud Dad and Grandpa!   ...Kat
    • GIKyle
      I went to Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery to locate the group burial of the C-123 crash that includes Robert Ellison.  It is exactly two rows removed from the Ghost Patrol group burial, the photos of which were taken by Ellison. 
    • sigsaye
      Yrs, those are navy issue. There were several different patterns of dungarees, that were used simultaneously. I have photos of my father wearing that style during the Korean War. The reason there were several patterns, is that whenever the Navy would change some, “Detail”, they did not pull old stock. It continued to be used until stocks were exhausted. I went to boot camp in January 1973, we had a couple of smaller guys issued WW2 pattern white jumpers. Back in those days, no one really paid that much attention. Dungaree
    • Arisaka99
      You found a gorgeous original 6” Camillus that was issued and put up. 
    • Illinigander
      Sorry, much later reply for post #9.  Yes, I will try.  I see I have 33rd MNG. It should have read 31st MNG. Illinigander
    • CGutierr
      Stotts, I really don't know.  The first pattern web chinstrap doesn't seem to have been around during the Battle of the Bulge and was definitely around a couple of months later for Operation Varsity.  My Father-in-Law was with the 513th during the Bulge and with the 194th during Varsity.  He brought home his helmet.  The liner is the fist variation Westinghouse and it came with the leather chinstrap.  So I suppose both types were used.  It may be my Father-in-Law preference to keep the leather chinstrap from his Bulge experience when the new web chinstrap was being handed out for Varsity. CG
    • Illinigander
      I think those metal trays are kind of timeless.  I saw them used in mess halls in the USPS for 25 years. Illinigander  
    • kchickenlord
      Am I safe in assuming these machine embroidered patches are repros?
    • Armygas
      Requesting some assistance from those with experience in US navy uniforms of about 1960 to 1962, specifically dungarees.  I just purchased this lot of uniforms of a USNR LTJG who was stationed in California from 1960 to 1962.  Most of the pieces are in marginal condition, (moth holes, staining, missing buttons, etc) except the dungarees, which along with the Khaki 4 pocket (also two name USN label) has his name stenciled in paint on the inside waistband.  I have surfed through this forum and online but can not so far find the 'cut' of the front pockets that match this find.  Aside from the stenciled name there are no tags, labels or other markings.  The legs are stove pipe and the condition appears unworn.  My two questions; are these official US Navy issue or aftermarket mfgr and what time frame were these made, issued or worn.  I was told before purchasing that this lot was WWII, after many hours of research that direction, I currently feel I have the correct original owner and he was not WWII.   Would be much obliged for some help from the Navy uniform group, any insights you can share would be most appreciated. Cheers, Armygas  
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