From what I gather the end game looks like this, the Iranian people topple the government with help from defectors and possibly the Kurds who’s threat of uprising against the clerics will syphon off much needed troops to quell them.   We have control of the air, we need to continue to search and destroy all their missile launching capabilities until it’s done.   They lied about the distance their missiles can travel so it’s very important to take out this capability before one lands in our lap.   At the same time start up with more tactical capabilities to help the people take their objectives, for example the Israeli drone attacks on militia checkpoints.   There must be SF soldiers on the ground organizing the logistics and training the right personnel to accomplish this.   And I for one do not agree with negotiating, these guys have to go or repent and change their tune.   It’s clear that they don’t plan on changing so Unconditional surrender.   Once this has been accomplished Putin will lose his source of revenue to keep fighting as oil prices fall.   Food prices will come down as Ukraine can ramp up its farming to peace time production and export food.    There are more big picture advantages to accomplishing this mission so it’s important to finish the job.  

Or,`abide`by`the`confines`of`the`discussion.`In`a`rules`based`order`that`would`be`the`norm.

The`war`powers`act`is`clearly`layed`out.`For`those`who`do`not`understand`it`may`I`suggest`reading`it.

Regardless of who is turning it political, I do think it's probably time to stop the topic from getting out of hand.  Wade

Hello all. I came across this site and topic quite randomly as I was looking up a few treasured memorabilia items when moving things around here. So, heres my contribution to this topic. In honor of my grandfather, Capt. Earl T. Hydeman (pictured). Most submariners of the era will know him best for his USS Sea Dog (SS 401) experience as chronicled in the books "Hellcats Of The Sea" and "Hellcats" and the movie "Hellcats Of The Navy".  I have a marvelous 6 page typed (by him) synopsis of the Sea Dog during that period. So, here are a 2  of the butt station, ashtray items he received. Both in excellent condition. The butt station is from his service as XO on the USS Tuna, when he was a Lieutenant, and the ashtray from his service at COM SUB DEV I hope they add to the memories shared here.

I found this on reddit and thought it was a very early rolled collar uniform, though enlisted in this case.      

So exactly how can you debate a conflict with global impacts happening at this very moment without it turning political?  You believe this war/not war was started for one reason. I believe it was started for another.    You start a discussion about something happening right now that you believe is history. It is not history. It is current events. 

You`are`the`one`turning`this`into`a`political`debate.`Do`you`not`see`this?``You`bait`the`conversation`with`your`points`of`view`then`cry`fowl`when`someone`takes`your`bait.`

Thanks I found it odd also ? Having eye issues and could not see details correctly!