nicolas75 Posted August 16, 2009 Share #1 Posted August 16, 2009 Hello to all, Do you have any informations of issuying ww1 gear during 1943-1944-1945 : 1st aid pouches, ammo belt, long bayonet ... Faced to a million soldiers to gear heading worldwide for the frontlines and in 1943-1944 shortages in many things (we have already talked about the m-1 rifles ones). As they had a lot of ww1 stuff left and new equipements not everytimes available in stock, it seems it was many times a solution Looks like it was most of the times issued for drill but many items find their way to the batlle itself as soldiers & equipements replacements mass needs comes I start with a ww1 ammo belt on 102nd division (although arrived from the states only weeks ago) soldiers during thanksgiving on the German/holland border It can be seen on the long end of the closure buckle Testimonies or pics are welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolas75 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share #2 Posted August 16, 2009 close up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolas75 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share #3 Posted August 16, 2009 St marie du mont (Normandy) June 12th 1944 - 90th Infantry division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolas75 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted August 16, 2009 close up On the 90th trooper at left : ww1 long end buckle (with a brit made carbine magzaine pocket) On the ESB trooper at right : ww1 First aid pouch - or maybe the jmqd 1942 model (with a brit made carbine magzaine pocket too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolas75 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted August 16, 2009 Northern Ireland. Ca. August 1942 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolas75 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share #6 Posted August 16, 2009 close up far left & far right are m-1917 and the 2 middle ones are m-1910 Mills ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolas75 Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted August 16, 2009 April 26th 1945 - 69th inf division One more time, it could be the 42' JQMD but with the last shown at least one of them is ww1 :think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotlead Posted August 16, 2009 Share #8 Posted August 16, 2009 This is common throughout US military history, if it works with everything else and does the job, then there is no reason not to issue an item. One of my favorite examples of this is a personal experience. I was at Camp Pendleton a few years ago, and saw some young Marines at SOI wearing the then new digital cammies and MOLLE gear. None had MOLLE canteen carriers, but were using ALICE covers and MOLLE adapters. I saw about a dozen plastic snap M-1967 canteen carriers mixed in with all the ALICE ones. They worked with the gear and did the job, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 16, 2009 Share #9 Posted August 16, 2009 Here are some G.I.s heading for Australia; note the Cartridge Belt on the guy at lower left: It looks like the man at center might have an early ammo belt as well, but it's hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 16, 2009 Share #10 Posted August 16, 2009 Here is the "lower left" belt in the shot above; I've not seen many of these round-flap types... This belt is stamped "Long 3-18"; Canteen Cover is "R.I.A. 1917". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 16, 2009 Share #11 Posted August 16, 2009 A V.J. parade in Hawaii- there are several M1910 Meatcan Pouches in this photo (sorry for the quality; it's the only pic I have): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 16, 2009 Share #12 Posted August 16, 2009 A Marine Raider in training- rigged with an early B.A.R. Assistant's Belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 16, 2009 Share #13 Posted August 16, 2009 Another Raider, this one on Bougainville, carrying an early Assistant's Belt: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 16, 2009 Share #14 Posted August 16, 2009 Marine Raiders training on rope bridge; the guy at center appears to be carrying an early Russell ammo belt, and a leather-tipped M1910 (?) Bayonet Scabbard is hooked to his pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST Posted August 16, 2009 Share #15 Posted August 16, 2009 A little off topic, but I was issued a 1918 dated canteen cup and a M1956 canteen carrier in 2000 when I joined the Air National Guard. I carried those when I deployed to the Persian Gulf in 2004. There was at least one person from my unit to deploy with the steel pot as opposed to a Kevlar helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 17, 2009 Share #16 Posted August 17, 2009 A little off topic, but I was issued a 1918 dated canteen cup and a M1956 canteen carrier in 2000 when I joined the Air National Guard. I carried those when I deployed to the Persian Gulf in 2004. There was at least one person from my unit to deploy with the steel pot as opposed to a Kevlar helmet. :w00t: Don't sound off-topic to me...that's amazing! Makes you wonder how much old stuff is still stashed away in our Military's depots....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt40 Posted August 17, 2009 Share #17 Posted August 17, 2009 :w00t: Don't sound off-topic to me...that's amazing! Makes you wonder how much old stuff is still stashed away in our Military's depots....?? It would not suprise me at all. I picked up about a dozen WWI and WWII holsters at the DRMO in Jacksonville back in 1997. They also had WWII issue stretchers in near mint condition as well as about 5 M100 trailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted August 17, 2009 Share #18 Posted August 17, 2009 A Marine Raider in training- rigged with an early B.A.R. Assistant's Belt. AND the unmodified M1918 BAR.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Posted August 17, 2009 Share #19 Posted August 17, 2009 older stuff is always used, even when and better things come out. for example, when we invaded bagdad, soldiers wore alice equipment even though molle gear had been issued. the majority wore both alice and molle gear. hope this helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted August 17, 2009 Share #20 Posted August 17, 2009 older stuff is always used, even when and better things come out. for example, when we invaded bagdad, soldiers wore alice equipment even though molle gear had been issued. the majority wore both alice and molle gear. hope this helped. It does indeed- once again illustrating that a truly efficient military organization will utilize whatever tools are available that will perform the task, even if it doesn't have a current date or is of the latest design. We lunatic collectors are the only ones concerned with dates, variations, matching gear sets, and all that rot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted December 14, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 14, 2009 Hello, So far the participants in this thread indicated details only forgetting about bigger and more elementary items. The first US Army contingent which arrived to Ireland in 1942 looked not so sophisticated like the GIs landing in Normandy. Their helmets and rifles represented WW1 not to mention other items. Bellow arrival of the first contingent can be seen. Best regards Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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