juvatwad Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Does anyone know the history on this group that sold in 2015? I'm curious, because it surfaced for significantly less than it's sale price at the auction ((< 1/10th)). I picked it up basically for the patch and print. The patch is legit, although I'm sure he had a bunch of those. https://www.icollector.com/World-War-II-Aces-Memorabilia-Lot-Pertaining-to-Famed-Marine-Corps-Ace-Gregory-Pappy-Boyington-and_i17062007 Link to post Share on other sites
manayunkman Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I’m not familiar with the price of the patch but quite often people overpay at auction. Link to post Share on other sites
pararaftanr2 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 The myth that "Mike" Kawato was the man who shot down Boyington was debunked several years ago. https://www.warbirdforum.com/kawato.htm He did the airshow circuit several decades ago touting this claim and promoting his book. Historical research has proved otherwise though. https://pilotsmanyourplanes.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
Brig Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I see no provenance that the patch was ever Boyington's and not just picked up as a representative piece long ago. -BrigGySgt/USMC/0369RSU-Quantico"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"RIPSgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' BalthaserSgt John P HulingCpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' GilorozcoCpl Stephen C 'Socks' SockaloskyLCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' ScottLCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' FryeLCpl Nicolas B MorrisonLCpl Jon T HicksLCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De OcaPvt Lewis T D Calapini'The SOI 5' Link to post Share on other sites
juvatwad Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 The letter from the IAHOF regarding the patch being traded by Boyington’s wife is the provenance offered. Link to post Share on other sites
manayunkman Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 What does the letter look like? Link to post Share on other sites
juvatwad Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 Here it is. I believe she was his third wife, divorced sometime before 1978: Link to post Share on other sites
pararaftanr2 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 In the late 1970s through early 1980s, Boyington toured the airshow circuit signing autographs and selling his books, art prints and reproduction photos and patches. It was a cottage industry to supplement his retirement income and played off the popularity of the "Black Sheep Squadron" TV show that aired from 1976-1978. Note the date of the letter in the last post. https://pilotsmanyourplanes.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
juvatwad Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 The patch was posted in the appropriate forum here and is real. Also the letter states the patch was donated years prior to the 1976 date. Link to post Share on other sites
Brig Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Weak provenance on the patch. -BrigGySgt/USMC/0369RSU-Quantico"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"RIPSgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' BalthaserSgt John P HulingCpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' GilorozcoCpl Stephen C 'Socks' SockaloskyLCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' ScottLCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' FryeLCpl Nicolas B MorrisonLCpl Jon T HicksLCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De OcaPvt Lewis T D Calapini'The SOI 5' Link to post Share on other sites
pararaftanr2 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 From looking at the information shown in the link you provided to the original auction of this "grouping", it looks like it was put together by a David Marshall from San Diego, CA in the mid-late 1970s. A Boyington autographed book from 1976, a print and book signed by Mike Kawato in 1979, and a patch, supplied by the International Aerospace Hall of Fame in San Diego in trade for a set of balloon pilot wings in 1976. Apparently the IAHF collection was subsequently destroyed by an arson fire in 1978. https://pilotsmanyourplanes.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
manayunkman Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Yes it was destroyed by fire in 1978. I lived in SD at the time and volunteered to sift through the wreckage for anything salvageable. They had a large selection AVG donated items and the Red Barons Pour le Merit. It was a sad day. The letter is much better than no provenance at all. Link to post Share on other sites
juvatwad Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 18 hours ago, manayunkman said: The letter is much better than no provenance at all. I agree, and from your brief comment regarding some of the stuff they had, this patch having belonged to Boyington is more likely than not. On 7/12/2020 at 5:58 PM, pararaftanr2 said: From looking at the information shown in the link you provided to the original auction of this "grouping", it looks like it was put together by a David Marshall from San Diego, CA in the mid-late 1970s. A Boyington autographed book from 1976, a print and book signed by Mike Kawato in 1979, and a patch, supplied by the International Aerospace Hall of Fame in San Diego in trade for a set of balloon pilot wings in 1976. Apparently the IAHF collection was subsequently destroyed by an arson fire in 1978. I agree with this as well, but it was worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
Brig Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 18 hours ago, manayunkman said: Yes it was destroyed by fire in 1978. I lived in SD at the time and volunteered to sift through the wreckage for anything salvageable. They had a large selection AVG donated items and the Red Barons Pour le Merit. It was a sad day. The letter is much better than no provenance at all. Not really, it doesn't seriously increase value with people willing to pay those prices. I wouldn't pay more than sum of the parts for this group with that letter -BrigGySgt/USMC/0369RSU-Quantico"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"RIPSgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' BalthaserSgt John P HulingCpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' GilorozcoCpl Stephen C 'Socks' SockaloskyLCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' ScottLCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' FryeLCpl Nicolas B MorrisonLCpl Jon T HicksLCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De OcaPvt Lewis T D Calapini'The SOI 5' Link to post Share on other sites
juvatwad Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 The items resurfaced for less than 1/10th the auction selling price, so for a few hundred bucks, I was happy to pick it up. Link to post Share on other sites
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