Airborne1945 Posted July 25, 2017 Share #1 Posted July 25, 2017 Does anyone know why the circle is red instead of white? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted July 26, 2017 Share #2 Posted July 26, 2017 You mean white instead of red?, I think it's unassigned personnel if I remember correctly, or these came out before they switched to the red dot. I've heard many diff explainations as to why all white. Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1945 Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted July 26, 2017 You mean white instead of red?, I think it's unassigned personnel if I remember correctly, or these came out before they switched to the red dot. I've heard many diff explainations as to why all white. Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk Thanks for the reply. Also this is why I should always proof read before I post lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garth Thompson Posted July 26, 2017 Share #4 Posted July 26, 2017 You mean white instead of red?, I think it's unassigned personnel if I remember correctly, or these came out before they switched to the red dot. I've heard many diff explainations as to why all white. Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk Where did you come up with that? I have never heard that one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted July 26, 2017 Share #5 Posted July 26, 2017 The correct identification of this insignia is USAAF Civilian Instructors SSI CDub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted July 26, 2017 Share #6 Posted July 26, 2017 Where did you come up with that? I have never heard that one before. Over the years from different collectors, it's just what I heard. I just thought in all reality it was just a diff aaf hq's patch. Now I know what it really is. Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted July 26, 2017 Share #7 Posted July 26, 2017 The correct identification of this insignia is USAAF Civilian Instructors SSI CDub Is it? I never heard of that. Is there a reference? There is at least one photo of an AAF guy wearing the patch. I know we have discussed the possibility that the patch was an "assumption" patch made in 1942 when the red dot was removed from the aircraft insignia but it was never approved. There are quite a few variations out there. -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 27, 2017 Share #8 Posted July 27, 2017 Here's one of the topics. Where's the other one? Can't find it. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/228019-usaaf-army-air-corps-hq-ssi-shoulder-sleeve-white-star-center-patch/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted July 27, 2017 Share #9 Posted July 27, 2017 Here's one of the topics. Where's the other one? Can't find it. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/228019-usaaf-army-air-corps-hq-ssi-shoulder-sleeve-white-star-center-patch/ Yes Kevin I read that, but it says referred to, that's not definite proof.whos doing the referring? Others collector's? like the ones who told me it was for unassigned troops? I wish someone could find a photo. Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted July 27, 2017 Share #10 Posted July 27, 2017 Without any real documentation out there, my guess is just a manufacturing variation that doesn't actually mean anything. (However, if I had to offer up a 2nd guess for that white center, it would be "Elite USAAF Ski Troops") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted July 27, 2017 Share #11 Posted July 27, 2017 Is this possibly nothing more than a war time error patch and some got used?? Seems no solid evidence of a specific unit but there are titles attached to things it seems to justify or in some cases boost a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted July 27, 2017 Share #12 Posted July 27, 2017 Lol, good one kurt. I do hope your joking Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 27, 2017 Share #13 Posted July 27, 2017 Yes Kevin I read that, but it says referred to, that's not definite proof.whos doing the referring? Others collector's? like the ones who told me it was for unassigned troops? I wish someone could find a photo. Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk I could of swore that that topic I can't find had photos of it being worn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkjack07 Posted July 27, 2017 Share #14 Posted July 27, 2017 I could of swore that that topic I can't find had photos of it being worn. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/149391-aac-patch-without-the-red-dot/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted July 27, 2017 Share #15 Posted July 27, 2017 Nice find picking up that old thread, it's still a guess as to why they were mfg that way. I'm leaning to its being a variation and nothing more. I have no proof other then what I was told years ago about it being for unassigned troops, I do not think it was for civilian's trainers either. They had there own insignia Sent from my XT1031 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 28, 2017 Share #16 Posted July 28, 2017 Thanks blkjack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted July 28, 2017 Share #17 Posted July 28, 2017 Try some research into Civilian Pilot training program, at the very least should be able to find some images documenting the use of the insignia. www.nationalmuseum.af.mil www.archives.gov CDub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillock Posted July 29, 2017 Share #18 Posted July 29, 2017 Here is the official WD-OQMC Drawing dated April 1942. Unless one can produce an official drawing of any other organization within the agency it can possibly be related to anticipation by some manufacturers of the colour change (Aug 1942) of the AAF aircraft marking(Pacific) the red disk was removed to prevent confusion with the Japanese marking. Incidentally all commonwealth aircraft markings were changed as well with the elimination of the red disk. The SSI would have no bearing on a colour change unless specifically requested. Although I do like Kurt's answer-but I would add a white on red Airborne tab and make them "Elite Airborne USAAF Ski Troops"(That will set the Kurt amongst the pigeons!) Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillock Posted July 29, 2017 Share #19 Posted July 29, 2017 Forgot to add out of the Official Guide to the AAF c1944 Phill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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