Hobza Posted October 19, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 19, 2011 Hi, i want to ask you at this broach. Is it correct to this medal ? Is it NAVY broach ? Lubos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0811gysgt Posted October 19, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 19, 2011 I am pretty sure that this is not a WWII period Navy DSM and has an added wrap brooch. The case and ribbon bar does not make sense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arclight Posted October 19, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 19, 2011 It looks like the case is wrong for a Navy WWII/earlier issue DSM, too. Should'nt have the seperate section for the lapel pin. Is the case titled? G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobza Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted October 19, 2011 Case http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Navy-Distinguis...=item3cbd55d004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEABEEBRIAN Posted October 19, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 19, 2011 The case doesn't look like a navy DSM case but that aside WW2 Navy DSM's did use a gold colored brooch. Yours looks good. By the way the correct spelling is brooch :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan H. Posted October 19, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 19, 2011 Here's my two cents. I believe that as stated earlier, this is a post war (and most likely crimp brooched Navy DSM that has been re-ribboned to look like a wrap brooch piece. While I can't fault the brooch, I do NOT like the ribbon one bit. Not only does it not match the size of the brooch, it has a far more modern look to it than what a vintage ribbon drape would have. I would want to see some moir to the ribbon. This doesn't even have good color! The ribbon bar is NOT the type that was ever issued with a medal. It is private purchase and has had a pinback holder thrown into it. The case is for the Army Distinguished Service Medal. I think somebody is going to take a pounding on this one price-wise. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emccomas Posted October 19, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 19, 2011 The titled case doesn't look right to me. The letters appear blured, the font is different, and the title is not centered on the case. I would almost suspect that someone added the title to an unnamed case. Here is an Army DSM case from a recent Ebay auction in a side by side comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1944Ike Posted October 19, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 19, 2011 Hobza, I was very suspicious too....sloppy job on the brooch...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuftStalg1 Posted October 19, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 19, 2011 The whole thing is suspicious to me! I would not bid more then what I felt the parts were worth and consider it a fake spot filler, i.e... not much. This dealer seems to have a mix of stuff I would consider real and fake. I am starting to see this more and more one ebay. :thumbdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted October 19, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 19, 2011 I agree with AllAn, The brooch and ribbon are wrong, and the stitching is also suspect. The brooch is too largenfor the ribbon, and the ribbon is too new for medal. All in all.....stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhcoleterracina Posted October 19, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 19, 2011 Case is not Navy and weird, I don't think I've ever seen the title up high, always centered. The wrap brooch is over sized for the ribbon, and poorly attached. You won't be happy with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted October 19, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 19, 2011 Has anyone actually seen a USN short titled DSM case? The very few cased WW2 USN DSM's I've encountered have been in the light blue "coffin" case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaDave Posted October 19, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 19, 2011 I'll play devils advocate on this one.... the planchet and brooch are correct for a WWII Navy DSM.... the case, ribbon, lapel bar and ribbon bar are not. DakotaDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmpmstr Posted October 19, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 19, 2011 I'll play devils advocate on this one.... the planchet and brooch are correct for a WWII Navy DSM.... the case, ribbon, lapel bar and ribbon bar are not. DakotaDave I have to agree. I have been looking at it for a couple days and trying to put my digits on what I liked because there is so much not to like...and it's the planchet. When I compare this to a later issue piece the deeper richer tone as well as the color/tone of the enamel tells me. Additionally, if you look at the connection on the swivel it is thicker and more regular in shape than you will find on later issues. The roundness of the suspension ring ball is well defined and actually round with the hole in the middle of the ball (or it appears). The overall details on the strike are better and more defined. The other components speak for themselves...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaDave Posted October 20, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 20, 2011 I have to agree. I have been looking at it for a couple days and trying to put my digits on what I liked because there is so much not to like...and it's the planchet. When I compare this to a later issue piece the deeper richer tone as well as the color/tone of the enamel tells me. Additionally, if you look at the connection on the swivel it is thicker and more regular in shape than you will find on later issues. The roundness of the suspension ring ball is well defined and actually round with the hole in the middle of the ball (or it appears). The overall details on the strike are better and more defined. The other components speak for themselves...... What said "yes" to me was the lighter blue enamel.... very typical of war time DSM's, also the quality of the overall strike and finishing compared to later post war DSM's was much better. It should go for $500 to $650, if it had been on the original ribbon it would definitely go for $600+. DakotaDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted October 20, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 20, 2011 I'll play devils advocate on this one.... the planchet and brooch are correct for a WWII Navy DSM.... the case, ribbon, lapel bar and ribbon bar are not. DakotaDave Totally agree. Except for the ribbon, the planchet and brooch are identical to a WW2 example I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medalman90 Posted October 20, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 20, 2011 correct me if im wrong, but isnt a good way to tell if the ribbon is good or not is the black light test? :think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted October 20, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 20, 2011 correct me if im wrong, but isnt a good way to tell if the ribbon is good or not is the black light test? :think: Possibly. But also compare the appearance of the two. The modern replacement ribbon is very "flat" in color. The example I posted has the nice wavy "moire" look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medalman90 Posted October 20, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 20, 2011 Possibly. But also compare the appearance of the two. The modern replacement ribbon is very "flat" in color. The example I posted has the nice wavy "moire" look to it. this is very true, yours has more deffinition. I only asked because thats how i check my ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted October 20, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 20, 2011 this is very true, yours has more deffinition. I only asked because thats how i check my ribbons. It's a useful way. However, I find that my computer screen is a bit too bright to get a good sense if the item glows or not when I hold my black light up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emccomas Posted October 20, 2011 Share #21 Posted October 20, 2011 OK,so let me summarize for my (and possibly others) education.. Case - not correct for any vintage DSM, possibly local remanufacture Lapel pin - not correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Service Ribbon - not correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Large Medal Ribbon - not correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Brooch - correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Planchet - correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM So, theoretically, what we have is a reribboned WWII Navy DSM, with an incorrect lapel pin and service ribbon, and a remanufactured case, put together to appear to be a complete cased set. The brooch and planchet is really worth $500 - $600 by themselves? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaDave Posted October 20, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 20, 2011 OK,so let me summarize for my (and possibly others) education.. Case - not correct for any vintage DSM, possibly local remanufacture Lapel pin - not correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Service Ribbon - not correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Large Medal Ribbon - not correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Brooch - correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM Planchet - correct for WWII vintage Navy DSM So, theoretically, what we have is a reribboned WWII Navy DSM, with an incorrect lapel pin and service ribbon, and a remanufactured case, put together to appear to be a complete cased set. The brooch and planchet is really worth $500 - $600 by themselves? Thoughts? I think if someone did a good reribboning job on the medal and brooch that could easily make it a $500-600 medal. The last one I saw on ebay with original ribbon (I think it has been in the last year) sold for $600-650. I would categorize a WWII Navy DSM medal as "scarce" meaning you probably only see them at the rate of 1 maybe 2 a year, so yes $600 would be an expected figure. DakotaDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medalman90 Posted October 20, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 20, 2011 I think if someone did a good reribboning job on it the medal and brooch could easily be a $500-600 medal. The last one I saw on ebay with original ribbon (I think it has been in the last year) sold for $600-650. I would categorize a WWII Navy DSM medal as "scarce" meaning you probably only see them at the rate of 1 maybe 2 a year, so yes $600 would be an expected figure.DakotaDave so just the broch and planchet are worth 600? the fact that its been damaged and or assembled dont decrease the value at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 20, 2011 Share #24 Posted October 20, 2011 possibly local remanufacture Is that the new way of saying "fake"? :think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaDave Posted October 20, 2011 Share #25 Posted October 20, 2011 so just the broch and planchet are worth 600? the fact that its been damaged and or assembled dont decrease the value at all? I don't consider reribboning a medal as repairing damage, ribbons wear out or get soiled and replacing them does not decrease a medals value to a major extent, I guess it is up to the individual as to whether they will accept reribboning in order to obtain a medal they may see for sale only occasionally. DakotaDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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