Jump to content


Photo

WWII GERMAN POW DOGTAGS ISSUED TO AMERICANS


  • Please log in to reply
240 replies to this topic

#51 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 16 May 2009 - 09:00 AM

No Armored guys?

Erwin


Hi Erwin

Here is one to fill that gap. I just bought it on this forum 2 weeks ago.

He was in the same unit as the one Beast is showing, 17th Armored Infantry ,12th Armored Division and was captured the same day. Beast's link to the 12th AD website tells the story. This POW is verified to have been held in Stalag 5A.

Kurt

penny.JPG

#52 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 16 May 2009 - 09:03 AM


Here's a grouping from Stalag XIIA that I picked last year at the ASMIC show in Ft.Worth Texas.
Any info on the POW's & Dog Tag would be greatly appreciated. My research has been nothing but a dead end! http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/crying.gif


Here is info on Gonzales. I have a POW ID card from XIIA only a few numbers off the one you have. XIIA was a transit camp that newly captured POW's were sent to before being assigned to a permanent camp. the POW ID number on the photo attached to the card does not match the ID number on the top of the card. Someone probably replaced it with a different XIIA photo.

Field Title Value Meaning
SERIAL NUMBER 39548616 39548616
NAME GONZALES EDWARD G GONZALES EDWARD G
GRADE, ALPHA SGT Sergeant
GRADE CODE 5 Captain or Asst. superintendent of nurses or Asst. director of nurses or Chief dietitian or Chief physical therapy aides or Sergeant or Technician 4th Grade or Lieutenant or Petty Officer, 3rd Class
SERVICE CODE 1 ARMY
ARM OR SERVICE INF Infantry
ARM OR SERVICE CODE 10 INF: INFANTRY
DATE REPORT: DAY (DD) 01 01
DATE REPORT: MONTH (MM) 01 01
DATE REPORT: YEAR (Y) 5 1945
RACIAL GROUP CODE 1 WHITE
STATE OF RESIDENCE
TYPE OF ORGANIZATION
PARENT UNIT NUMBER
PARENT UNIT TYPE
AREA 72 European Theatre: Germany
LATEST REPORT DATE: DAY (DD) 21 21
LATEST REPORT DATE: MONTH (MM) 07 07
LATEST REPORT DATE: YEAR (Y) 5 1945
SOURCE OF REPORT 1 Individual has been reported through sources considered official.
STATUS 8 Returned to Military Control, Liberated or Repatriated
DETAINING POWER 1 GERMANY
CAMP 004 Stalag 3B Furstenberg Brandenburg, Prussia (Also KDOS [USA] #1-5; ARB BTNS 225-255) 52-14

Edited by KASTAUFFER, 16 May 2009 - 09:05 AM.


#53 JDK

JDK
  • Members
    • Member ID: 2,901
  • 3,899 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Midwest

Posted 17 May 2009 - 06:22 AM

Here's a group to a B-17 waist gunner with the 711th Bomb Squadron. He ended up in Stalag 17B. I have alot more with this group, but here's the tag and some paperwork.
JD

pow1.jpg

 

 

pow2.jpg


Edited by JDK, 13 May 2014 - 07:07 AM.


#54 Bulldog

Bulldog
  • Members
    • Member ID: 795
  • 497 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dallas

Posted 18 May 2009 - 03:18 PM

wardept.gif


Kastauffer I appreciate all the info on Gonzales!


Also, would it be possible to find out just by there POW ID number the soldiers name? http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

#55 SeaDog30

SeaDog30
  • Members
    • Member ID: 1,117
  • 113 posts

Posted 18 May 2009 - 07:07 PM

Great topic and posts! I became interested in POW items approximately 3 years ago when I acquired the items of a USAAF 384th BG pilot who was a prisoner in Stalag Luft 1-Barth, Germany. I have his Luftwaffe fork that he ate with, mail sent and received from 1943-1945, POW prayer book, a telegram his family sent to him via the Red Cross, Luftwaffe patches taken as mementos, letters written from Camp Lucky Strike on Red Cross stationary and a photo from his file. Everything BUT the dog tag!!! Still looking for a POW tag from Stalag Luft 1.

#56 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 May 2009 - 08:27 PM

wardept.gif
Kastauffer I appreciate all the info on Gonzales!


Also, would it be possible to find out just by there POW ID number the soldiers name? http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif


There is a way if you can get to the National Archives in College Park Md. They have the US Army Provost Marshalls office records and that have a list that shows the POW numbers by name. It is NOT the same list that is online through the NARA AAD website.

Kurt

#57 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 May 2009 - 08:27 PM

Great topic and posts! I became interested in POW items approximately 3 years ago when I acquired the items of a USAAF 384th BG pilot who was a prisoner in Stalag Luft 1-Barth, Germany. I have his Luftwaffe fork that he ate with, mail sent and received from 1943-1945, POW prayer book, a telegram his family sent to him via the Red Cross, Luftwaffe patches taken as mementos, letters written from Camp Lucky Strike on Red Cross stationary and a photo from his file. Everything BUT the dog tag!!! Still looking for a POW tag from Stalag Luft 1.


Post some pics! I would love to see the group.

Kurt

#58 SeaDog30

SeaDog30
  • Members
    • Member ID: 1,117
  • 113 posts

Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:56 PM

Post some pics! I would love to see the group.

Kurt

I'll get some up this week.

Thanks,
Rick

#59 carbinekid

carbinekid
  • Members
    • Member ID: 6,603
  • 1,086 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Michigan, USA

Posted 20 May 2009 - 03:40 PM

Does anyone have any tags from Stalag 2B? My uncle was captured at Kasserine Pass on Feb. 19, 1943. He ended up escaping from Stalg 2B in 1945 when the POWs were being moved to a new camp in the West to avoid the Russians.


Kyle

#60 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 20 May 2009 - 03:45 PM

Does anyone have any tags from Stalag 2B? My uncle was captured at Kasserine Pass on Feb. 19, 1943. He ended up escaping from Stalg 2B in 1945 when the POWs were being moved to a new camp in the West to avoid the Russians.
Kyle

I have a tag from 2b, but I don't know who it was issued to . I know it was an American though. I will post a pic later.

Kurt

#61 carbinekid

carbinekid
  • Members
    • Member ID: 6,603
  • 1,086 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Michigan, USA

Posted 20 May 2009 - 04:40 PM

I look forward to seeing it. My uncles name was Henry F. Scheel


Kyle

#62 SeaDog30

SeaDog30
  • Members
    • Member ID: 1,117
  • 113 posts

Posted 01 June 2009 - 02:50 PM

Here are some of the items from Lt. Charles "Ted" Zitnik, 545th BS, 384th BG. His B-17G was shot down on 11-26-43. There are several pictures of the crash on the 384th BG website. I also have all of his letters that were written and received while he was a POW and all the letters etc from the war department.

 

 

1.pow4.jpg

 

2.pow3.jpg

 

3.pow5.jpg


Edited by JDK, 13 May 2014 - 07:12 AM.


#63 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 June 2009 - 01:27 PM

Does anyone have any tags from Stalag 2B? My uncle was captured at Kasserine Pass on Feb. 19, 1943. He ended up escaping from Stalg 2B in 1945 when the POWs were being moved to a new camp in the West to avoid the Russians.
Kyle


Here are my Stalag 2B tags. I know they are from Americans, I just havent figured out who yet.

Kurt
Stalag2b.JPG

Edited by KASTAUFFER, 02 June 2009 - 01:27 PM.


#64 Curious Granddaughter

Curious Granddaughter
  • Members
    • Member ID: 6,310
  • 96 posts
  • Location:California

Posted 04 June 2009 - 07:40 AM

Hey there!

I just found my grandfathers old tags in an old trunk in the garage - they're pretty beat up from some water damage my grandparents had at their home a while back. Any one know how I can clean up the Stalag Luft IV tag? It's already been separated from the other half at the perforation and didn't hold up as well as his U.S. tags. Also, the chain itself is pretty brittle and had already broken when I took it out of the trunk - but I still want to try and clean it up a little. If you can PM me with some tips I'd greatly appreciate it!

BTW, I was thinking of ordering a special pouch to store it in from an archival supply company, does this sound about right? http://www.archivals...number=034-CIPZ

Thanks a bunch!
Ash

Grandpa_dog_tags_012.jpg

#65 Jack's Son

Jack's Son

    Deceased

  • IN MEMORIAM
    • Member ID: 8,213
  • 19,660 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 24 May 2010 - 12:28 PM

OK Guys,
It's time to "dust" this post off, and give it another chance to shine and educate.

I was extremely impressed with the history and commitment displayed in this thread.
To put it in perspective........It took Kurt over 30 years of collecting to bring these pieces together.
He may be to modest to reveal this, but it demonstrates the commitment some have to history, and
to honoring those who sacrificed so much.

Kurt, thanks for the experience.

#66 bobgee

bobgee

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 503
  • 6,198 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Texas

Posted 24 May 2010 - 03:26 PM

I never get tired of seeing this great stuff! :twothumbup:
Kudos, Kurt......et. al...Bobgee

#67 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

I am resurrecting this thread with a new addition I just acquired.

This is a US dogtag and a Stalag 17B Dogtag to Pvt. Louis Tucker who was a member of the 1st RANGER BN and was captured at Cisterna in January 1944. He was injured badly and lost his foot. He was repatriated in September 1944 on the Gripsholm, a Swedish Red Cross ship, due to his injuries.

I also have more of his group which I will post later .

MVC_014L.JPG

 

012525510a250c78085b99c709e1be1ffb664f45cb.jpg

01d4f0cefb0efa841c8051d6e7a0c12d54ed3828d4.jpg


Edited by KASTAUFFER, 20 November 2017 - 03:51 PM.


#68 1canpara

1canpara
  • Members
    • Member ID: 9,167
  • 3,718 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:31 PM

Hi Kurt, I have a tag from Stalag IIIA that I obtained a number of years ago and have been trying to research it. Do you have any advice as to how to track the number on it to a POW? I have no idea if it was an American POW or a Commonwealth soldier.

Thanks,

Rick

#69 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:26 AM

Hi Kurt, I have a tag from Stalag IIIA that I obtained a number of years ago and have been trying to research it. Do you have any advice as to how to track the number on it to a POW? I have no idea if it was an American POW or a Commonwealth soldier.

Thanks,

Rick


Hi Rick

There is no single good spot to research just a number on a POW tag. There are some books that have rosters with POW numbers ( one of them is about the south compound at Stalag Luft 3 ). Other times I will buy a POW tag and get some POW mail from the same guy which has the matching number on it.

There is a set of records in the archives that lists all POWs and shows their POW numbers, but it is a printed book and is not in electronic form.

I have a lot of POW mail in my collection which has given me some insite into what POW number blocks were used by Americans. That helps to at least make sure a tag was issued to an American and not dug up in Europe recently from a camp that only held Russian or Polish POWs.

Kurt

#70 Richard Kimmel

Richard Kimmel
  • Members
    • Member ID: 10,293
  • 190 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Central New Jersey

Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:40 AM

This is certainly an interesting area as I see very little, if any, of this material surfacing at shows here in the states. Perhaps I'm simply missing it?

Edited by Richard Kimmel, 31 August 2010 - 09:44 AM.


#71 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 31 August 2010 - 10:59 AM

This is certainly an interesting area as I see very little, if any, of this material surfacing at shows here in the states. Perhaps I'm simply missing it?


Tags from Americans are very scarce and they don't turn up often.

However, on Ebay, hundreds of Stalag tags are sold every year but almost all of these are dug tags coming out of camps that never held Americans.

Kurt

#72 1canpara

1canpara
  • Members
    • Member ID: 9,167
  • 3,718 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:08 PM

Hi Rick

There is no single good spot to research just a number on a POW tag. There are some books that have rosters with POW numbers ( one of them is about the south compound at Stalag Luft 3 ). Other times I will buy a POW tag and get some POW mail from the same guy which has the matching number on it.

There is a set of records in the archives that lists all POWs and shows their POW numbers, but it is a printed book and is not in electronic form.

I have a lot of POW mail in my collection which has given me some insite into what POW number blocks were used by Americans. That helps to at least make sure a tag was issued to an American and not dug up in Europe recently from a camp that only held Russian or Polish POWs.

Kurt



Thanks Kurt, if I gave you the number is there a chance you could check whatever records you have access to, or at least determine if it's a US POW or not?

Thanks,

Rick

#73 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:22 PM

Thanks Kurt, if I gave you the number is there a chance you could check whatever records you have access to, or at least determine if it's a US POW or not?

Thanks,

Rick


I can check and see if the number is consistent with other IIIA numbers I know were used by Americans,

Kurt

#74 1canpara

1canpara
  • Members
    • Member ID: 9,167
  • 3,718 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 31 August 2010 - 11:34 PM

I can check and see if the number is consistent with other IIIA numbers I know were used by Americans,

Kurt



Thanks Kurt, that would be great....the number is 103320

best regards,

Rick

#75 KASTAUFFER

KASTAUFFER

    MODERATOR

  • Moderators
    • Member ID: 105
  • 12,496 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 September 2010 - 03:31 PM

Thanks Kurt, that would be great....the number is 103320

best regards,

Rick


I only have two numbers for IIIA, both in the 8x,xxx range. Most POWs in that camp transferred in from other places and had numbers from their first camp.

Kurt


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users