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#1 nchistory

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:25 AM

USMC Officers overseas cap. Ega on right, Lt bar added by myself as holes and stains looks like a LT bar once adorned this cap. Anyway piping looks gold/red/orange???? Under black light is looks reddish or so. Possible dye fade over past 100 years. EGA been there awhile with oxidation stains. Maybe late model America’s style. Thoughts ?

 

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:27 AM

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:29 AM

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:30 AM

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:31 AM

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:32 AM

Is EGA Officer or enlisted?  P-92?



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 12:09 PM

that's an enlisted bird



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 12:38 PM

that's an enlisted bird

Thanks for the information on the ega.  So was it a bad call thinking this was an officer cap??  I was thinking the piping was officer, but maybe given the ega, this could be just an enlisted one?  Thanks for your thoughts.



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 03:02 PM

Looks like an army piped officers cap to me

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 06:25 PM

I’m going to have to agree, looks like an army cap to me. All of the WWI officers caps I have seen are in a very distinctive forest green, this one looks more OD. The piping doesn’t look like the ones I have seen on Marine Officers caps as well. Sorry, just my two cents.

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 06:48 PM

Piping color reminds me of Quarter master but I might be wrong

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:05 AM

I’m going to have to agree, looks like an army cap to me. All of the WWI officers caps I have seen are in a very distinctive forest green, this one looks more OD. The piping doesn’t look like the ones I have seen on Marine Officers caps as well. Sorry, just my two cents.

No issue, thanks for your input.  Color almost a mustard I would guess.  So would an enlisted use an officers cap or was it most likely an officer's?  Thanks for your help.



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:06 AM

Looks like an army piped officers cap to me

Did Marines ever use army caps?  Officer or enlisted?



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 04:19 AM

They couldve used army ones at least the EM but this is an officers cap with an EM EGA

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 09:46 AM

Marines did use some army uniforms during supply shortages in the height of the fighting. The bigger question is whether the distinctive red and gold piping used by Marine officers during this time period was ever placed on an army o/s hat and I don't recall ever seeing that myself. If you are forced to use army gear due to supply problems, why go to the trouble of placing Marine specific braid on an army o/s hat if you know what I mean.

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 12:57 PM

The red and gold piping was used on Marine officer's overseas caps during WWI in some cases, but this cap has the enlisted EGA on the wrong side of the cap and the piping is not the officers red and gold type.

 

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 12:26 AM

This is the piping I'd expect to see on a WWI USMC Officers cap, and the side the EGA would typically be found on.  The material is US Army, not Marine forest green.

 

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 03:55 AM

The red and gold piping was used on Marine officer's overseas caps during WWI in some cases, but this cap has the enlisted EGA on the wrong side of the cap and the piping is not the officers red and gold type.

 

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Thank you, and I don't disagree about placement of ega, yet in WW1 if regulated it was lax, as I've seen several Officers wear ega on right, rank on left.




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