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A while ago, I mentioned these tags on the Pinned Dog Tags discussion. They belonged to Pvt Richard C. Perry and were found by my brother while metal detecting in the Kaiserslautern area in Germany. He passed them onto me when we were both stationed at RAF Mildenhall in the late 1990's. Looking at them at the time, I wondered what the story was and why they were lost. Well, after researching them a bit, I found out that Richard Perry died of wounds on 19 April, 1945. With the location of where they were found, I figured that he might of belonged to the 80th ID, as that unit moved through the area in late March 1945. Well, I got his IDPF back today, after 3 months of waiting, and found out that he actually belonged to D Co, 7th IR, 3rd ID and died of wounds in Hallstadt, North of Nurnberg. The 3rd ID had been assaulting Nurnburg when he was wounded.

 

Richard C. Perry was born 4 April, 1925 and had just turned 20 when he passed on. He was originally from Manhatten and had a brother John and a sister Isabelle. His Mother Anna Perry requested that her son be buried at the Long Island Military Cemetary in Farmingdale, NY.

 

Now, how could his dogtags be found 100 miles West of Nurnburg? Well, I can answer that now. He was originally buried at Bensheim, Germany, just North of Mannheim. This is very close to the location my brother found the dogtags. He was subsequently moved to the military cemetary at St. Avold, France. So, somewhere in this movement, his tags were lost. That said, they were never included in with the documentation, so they must of been somewhere in his uniform.

 

Thanks for reading. It is sobering reminder of just how tragic war is. Now to find his family.....

 

-Ski

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In Memory Of......
Pte Harold Griffiths, 1805, 1/6th Manchester Regt, KIA June 4th, 1915 in Gallipoli
Cpl Isaac Judges, 40494, 6th East Yorkshire Regt, KIA October 3rd, 1917 in Ypres
May they rest in peace.....

MSgt - USAF Retired

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The IDPF is quite a thick document. Here is the most important page, IMHO.

 

-Ski

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In Memory Of......
Pte Harold Griffiths, 1805, 1/6th Manchester Regt, KIA June 4th, 1915 in Gallipoli
Cpl Isaac Judges, 40494, 6th East Yorkshire Regt, KIA October 3rd, 1917 in Ypres
May they rest in peace.....

MSgt - USAF Retired

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NOW that is an interesting story! Great detective work on your part. I always like when someone can put a real story with an artifact. Great job!!!

Arch

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I remember when you posted these tags back in May (link here). Good work getting the IDPF and the rest of Pvt. Perry's story.

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Then out spake brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate:


"To every man upon this earth death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds,


For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods."

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Hi Ski, a moving story, just twenty ???? consider all the things that you have done since twenty, I certainly have been. War is Tragic.

 

Thanks for posting and taking the time and trouble to acquire all this info, good luck with any future research.

 

Cheers ( Lewis )

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Young enough to care and enjoy militaria - Old enough to remember as surplus

 

" Life's too short for reproductions "

 

 

Life is like a tank of gas, the closer you get to a quarter tank, the faster it goes 

 

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Awesome research work Ski.

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Remembering the service of:
9095 Pte Alfred Fredrick NEWLAND, 7th Field Ambulance, 2 Division, AIF. WIA 16/11/16 France.
436 Private Albert McCANN, B Company 8th Battalion AIF. Enlisted 26/8/14. Killed in Action 17/6/15 Gallipoli.
VX24056 Gunner George Edward McCANN, 2/3 Composite Anti Aircraft Regiment. Enlisted 7/6/40. Discharged 3/8/44. Served in Australia and New Guinea.



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...WAC enlisted dogtag (if I'm correct)...

Not a WAC tag. The name "Maurice" aside, WWII WAC enlisted serial numbers had the "A" prefix followed by a unique number set of just six digits. The prefix "AO" did not exist in WWII but the USAF did start using it for Air Force officers in 1949. This tag might have been for a USAF officer (issued in 1949) who was originally commissioned via Army OCS during WWII. The WWII Army officer prefix was "O" and OCS officers were assigned unique number sets of seven digits. If this hypothetical USAF officer did come over from the Army, he would have retained his Army serial number, updated with the "AO" prefix.

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Then out spake brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate:


"To every man upon this earth death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds,


For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods."

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Hi all,

 

what information was stamped on Vietnam-era dogtags? In what configuration/lay-out? Did they use the black rubber silencers? What lenght were both the long and short ball chains? I want to have a set made for me for re-enactment but I want it to have the correct lay-out and information. Thanks!

 

Greetz ;)

 

David

Money can't buy happiness -- but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Corvette than in a Yugo.

 

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Type depends totally on the year(s) and branch during VN, and to some extent how long the GI had been in service prior to onset of the war or his/her enlistment/commission... so, here's a good link to all kinds of dope on that...

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...t=0&start=0

HONORING FAMILY LtCol Wm Russell (1679-1757) VA Mil; Pvt Zachariah McKay (1714-97) Frederick VA Mil; BrigGen Evan Shelby, Jr (1719-94) VA Mil; Pvt Vincent Hobbs (1722-1808) Wythe VA Mil; Pvt Hugh Alexander (1724-77); Lt John R. Litton (1726-1804); Bvt BrigGen/Col Wm W. Russell (1735-93) 5th VA Rgmt; Lt James Scott (1736-1817); Capt John Murray, Sr (1747-1833); Capt John Sehorn, Sr (1748-1831) VA Mil; Pvt Corbin Lane (1750-1816) Franklin/TN Mil; Cpl Jesse D. Reynolds (1750-1836) 5th VA Rgmt; Capt. Solomon C. Litton (1751-1844); 1Lt Christopher Casey (1754-1840) SC Mil; Pvt Mark Adams (1755-1828); Pvt Randolph White (1755-1831) Bailey's Co. VA Rgmt; Capt. John R. Russell (1758-1838); Pvt Joseph T. Cooley (1767-1826) Fort Hempstead Mil; Pvt Thomas Barron (1776-1863) 1812; Capt. John Baumgardner (1787-1853) VA Mil; Pvt Joel Estep (1828-1864) Co B 5th KY Inf CSA & US; Pvt George B. Bell (1833-1910) Co C 47th IL Inf US; Cpl Daniel H. Barron (1838-1910) Co B 19th TN Rgmt Inf CSA; Capt Richard K. Kaufman (1908-1946) 7th PRG/3rd AF CCU; T-5 Vernon L. Bell (1926-95) 1802nd Spec Rgmt; PO2 Murray J. Heichman (1932-2019) HQSB/MCRD; PFC Jess Long (1934-2017) US Army; PFC Donald W. Johnson (1931-) 43rd ID HQ; A1C Keith W. Bell (1931-2011) 314th TCW; A3C Michael S. Bell (1946-) 3346th CMS; A1C Sam W. Lee (1954-2017) 2d BW; AW3 Keith J. Price (1975-) VP-10; 1Lt Matthew Wm Bell (1985-) 82nd Abn/SOC








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Thanks Bluehawk! thumbsup.gif

 

It would be for a 1st Cav trooper around 1968. Any more info is still welcome.

 

Greetz ;)

 

David

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Hi all,

 

what information was stamped on Vietnam-era dogtags? In what configuration/lay-out? Did they use the black rubber silencers? What lenght were both the long and short ball chains? I want to have a set made for me for re-enactment but I want it to have the correct lay-out and information. Thanks!

 

Greetz ;)

 

David

 

I still have a set of dog tags from the 66/67 period. The 1968 Tags would be the same.

 

1st Line, Last Name

 

2nd Line, First Name and Middle Initial

 

3rd Line, SSAN

 

4th Line, Blood Type ( example O Pos, O Neg)

 

5th Line, Religious Preference

 

I use to just tape my dog tags.

 

I don't know what the exact length of dog tag chains were, I would say about 22/24 inches on the long chain, and 4 to 5 inches on the short chain.

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I still have a set of dog tags from the 66/67 period. The 1968 Tags would be the same.

 

1st Line, Last Name

 

2nd Line, First Name and Middle Initial

 

3rd Line, SSAN

 

4th Line, Blood Type ( example O Pos, O Neg)

 

5th Line, Religious Preference

 

I use to just tape my dog tags.

 

I don't know what the exact length of dog tag chains were, I would say about 22/24 inches on the long chain, and 4 to 5 inches on the short chain.

 

Thanks! I presume they aren't notched?

 

Greetz ;)

 

David

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Thanks! I presume they aren't notched?

 

Greetz ;)

 

David

I saw somewhere that some were and some weren't notched, and that this had to do with which branch to some extent, and when they ran out of notched blanks - more than anything else.

 

And, no - the notch had nothing to do with being put between the teeth and jamming the jaws together. It was used as a locator in the machine when imprinting the letters.

 

My 1963 issue tags followed the sequence Abn Inf showed... in the Air Force enlisted guys of that era also had the letters "AF" preceding their eight digit numerals. Use of the 9 digit, or Social Security Number, hadn't happened yet - in 1963.

HONORING FAMILY LtCol Wm Russell (1679-1757) VA Mil; Pvt Zachariah McKay (1714-97) Frederick VA Mil; BrigGen Evan Shelby, Jr (1719-94) VA Mil; Pvt Vincent Hobbs (1722-1808) Wythe VA Mil; Pvt Hugh Alexander (1724-77); Lt John R. Litton (1726-1804); Bvt BrigGen/Col Wm W. Russell (1735-93) 5th VA Rgmt; Lt James Scott (1736-1817); Capt John Murray, Sr (1747-1833); Capt John Sehorn, Sr (1748-1831) VA Mil; Pvt Corbin Lane (1750-1816) Franklin/TN Mil; Cpl Jesse D. Reynolds (1750-1836) 5th VA Rgmt; Capt. Solomon C. Litton (1751-1844); 1Lt Christopher Casey (1754-1840) SC Mil; Pvt Mark Adams (1755-1828); Pvt Randolph White (1755-1831) Bailey's Co. VA Rgmt; Capt. John R. Russell (1758-1838); Pvt Joseph T. Cooley (1767-1826) Fort Hempstead Mil; Pvt Thomas Barron (1776-1863) 1812; Capt. John Baumgardner (1787-1853) VA Mil; Pvt Joel Estep (1828-1864) Co B 5th KY Inf CSA & US; Pvt George B. Bell (1833-1910) Co C 47th IL Inf US; Cpl Daniel H. Barron (1838-1910) Co B 19th TN Rgmt Inf CSA; Capt Richard K. Kaufman (1908-1946) 7th PRG/3rd AF CCU; T-5 Vernon L. Bell (1926-95) 1802nd Spec Rgmt; PO2 Murray J. Heichman (1932-2019) HQSB/MCRD; PFC Jess Long (1934-2017) US Army; PFC Donald W. Johnson (1931-) 43rd ID HQ; A1C Keith W. Bell (1931-2011) 314th TCW; A3C Michael S. Bell (1946-) 3346th CMS; A1C Sam W. Lee (1954-2017) 2d BW; AW3 Keith J. Price (1975-) VP-10; 1Lt Matthew Wm Bell (1985-) 82nd Abn/SOC








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... in the Air Force enlisted guys of that era also had the letters "AF" preceding their eight digit numerals. Use of the 9 digit, or Social Security Number, hadn't happened yet - in 1963.

I think it was 1969 that we all had to get new dog tags with the SSN instead of the of AF serial numbers. I still have one of each.

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Funny that this should come up. I used to make dog tags for members of my unit before I went on my last deployment.

 

Just this week I had a dog tag machine delivered to my house. My brother, who is working in Seoul, Korea, as a contractor bought this monster on Ebay. I haven't had a chance to uncrate it yet or find some blanks, but once I do, I should be able to crank out some dog tags for you guys!!!

 

Laury

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I think it was 1969 that we all had to get new dog tags with the SSN instead of the of AF serial numbers. I still have one of each.

Thanks Lee... and, I don't think mine had a notch. I had given them to my mother after service, so when she passed on my beloved sister made sure they went to the village landfill. :blink:

HONORING FAMILY LtCol Wm Russell (1679-1757) VA Mil; Pvt Zachariah McKay (1714-97) Frederick VA Mil; BrigGen Evan Shelby, Jr (1719-94) VA Mil; Pvt Vincent Hobbs (1722-1808) Wythe VA Mil; Pvt Hugh Alexander (1724-77); Lt John R. Litton (1726-1804); Bvt BrigGen/Col Wm W. Russell (1735-93) 5th VA Rgmt; Lt James Scott (1736-1817); Capt John Murray, Sr (1747-1833); Capt John Sehorn, Sr (1748-1831) VA Mil; Pvt Corbin Lane (1750-1816) Franklin/TN Mil; Cpl Jesse D. Reynolds (1750-1836) 5th VA Rgmt; Capt. Solomon C. Litton (1751-1844); 1Lt Christopher Casey (1754-1840) SC Mil; Pvt Mark Adams (1755-1828); Pvt Randolph White (1755-1831) Bailey's Co. VA Rgmt; Capt. John R. Russell (1758-1838); Pvt Joseph T. Cooley (1767-1826) Fort Hempstead Mil; Pvt Thomas Barron (1776-1863) 1812; Capt. John Baumgardner (1787-1853) VA Mil; Pvt Joel Estep (1828-1864) Co B 5th KY Inf CSA & US; Pvt George B. Bell (1833-1910) Co C 47th IL Inf US; Cpl Daniel H. Barron (1838-1910) Co B 19th TN Rgmt Inf CSA; Capt Richard K. Kaufman (1908-1946) 7th PRG/3rd AF CCU; T-5 Vernon L. Bell (1926-95) 1802nd Spec Rgmt; PO2 Murray J. Heichman (1932-2019) HQSB/MCRD; PFC Jess Long (1934-2017) US Army; PFC Donald W. Johnson (1931-) 43rd ID HQ; A1C Keith W. Bell (1931-2011) 314th TCW; A3C Michael S. Bell (1946-) 3346th CMS; A1C Sam W. Lee (1954-2017) 2d BW; AW3 Keith J. Price (1975-) VP-10; 1Lt Matthew Wm Bell (1985-) 82nd Abn/SOC








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