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[Scooch59]

Can anyone help me with the location (city & state) for these Shoulder Sleeve Insignias and who do they belong to: (RA), (USAR), and (ARNG)

TRANSPORTATION Brigades & Commands
2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 11th, 32nd, 37th, 107th, 124th, 125th, 319th, 336th, 425th

SUPPORT Brigades & Commands
2nd, 3rd, 7th, 12th, 15th, 22nd, 23rd, 32nd, 279th, 400th, 408th, 409th, 410th, 411th, 412th, 413th, 916th.

Thanks. Martin

[patches]

I believe you will find the answers to your questions, if you simply Google each unit, in most if not all cases there will be a wiki on them,if not someting similar

[Stuart GI]

I believe you will find the answers to your questions, if you simply Google each unit, in most if not all cases there will be a wiki on them,if not someting similar

37th is or was Germany, USAREUR, 336th is or was Ft.Sheridan, IL USAR I think.

Mike

[ehrentitle]

The Transportation Brigades are all gone as a result of Army reorganization a few years back. The 143rd TC Brigade became the 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command and the 184th TC Brigade became the 184th Sustainment Brigade. The remainder, as far as I know, were inactivated.

The only TC Brigades that exist are Table of Distribution and Allowances (TDA) units without unit patches that are part of the Surface Deployment and Distribution Command (SDDC): http://www.sddc.army...ho/default.aspx

As for the former Support Brigades & Commands: 2nd (inactive), 3rd is the 3rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command, 7th (inactive), 12th (inactive), 15th (inactive), 22nd (inactive), 23rd (inactive), 32nd (inactive), 279th -unknown maybe Alabama NG, 916th - Fort Irwin, CA, supports the National Training Center.

The 400th, 408th, 409th, 410th, 411th, 412th, 413th are all Army Material Command units, regionally aligned Army Field Support Brigades and Contracting Support Brigades. They were authorized a patch for a short period of time until AMC had the authorization revoked. They all wear the Army Material Command Patch now.

Edited by ehrentitle, 07 April 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[ehrentitle]

Inactivated Support Brigades:

2nd & 7th were in Germany
12th was at Fort Bragg, NC
15th was at Fort Lewis, WA
22nd was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm (Fort Lee in the 1960s and 70s)
23rd was at Fort Riley, KS

[ehrentitle]

Inactivated TC Brigades and Commands:

2nd, Korea and Japan
3rd, Reserve, St Louis, MO
4th, Fort Story, VA, Vietnam and Germany
5th, Fort Story, VA and Vietnam
11th, Europe
32nd, Reserve, Tampa, FL
37th, Germany
107th, Germany
124th, Fort Eustis, VA and Vietnam
125th, Fort Eustis, VA and Vietnam

Edited by ehrentitle, 07 April 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[Scooch59]

Inactivated TC Brigades and Commands:

2nd, Korea and Japan
3rd, Reserve, St Louis, MO
4th, Fort Story, VA, Vietnam and Germany
5th, Fort Story, VA and Vietnam
11th, Europe
32nd, Reserve, Tampa, FL
37th, Germany
107th, Germany
124th, Fort Eustis, VA and Vietnam
125th, Fort Eustis, VA and Vietnam

HEY THANKS FOR THE INFO. A BIG HELP. AGAIN THANKS VERY MUCH

[Scooch59]

Inactivated TC Brigades and Commands:

2nd, Korea and Japan
3rd, Reserve, St Louis, MO
4th, Fort Story, VA, Vietnam and Germany
5th, Fort Story, VA and Vietnam
11th, Europe
32nd, Reserve, Tampa, FL
37th, Germany
107th, Germany
124th, Fort Eustis, VA and Vietnam
125th, Fort Eustis, VA and Vietnam

Hey Kevin, Can you tell me if the 81st Infantry Brigade and the 155th Armored Brigade (I was told now, that it is strictly Infantry, not Armor) is now called the 81st Armored Brigade and the 155th is now back to Armor, or is it still an Infantry Brigade? Thanks. Martin

[ehrentitle]

Hey Kevin, Can you tell me if the 81st Infantry Brigade and the 155th Armored Brigade (I was told now, that it is strictly Infantry, not Armor) is now called the 81st Armored Brigade and the 155th is now back to Armor, or is it still an Infantry Brigade? Thanks. Martin

Both became Heavy Brigade Combat Teams which are armor heavy formations under the Army reorganization a few years back:

81st Heavy Brigade Combat Team (HBCT)
155th Heavy Brigade Combat Team (HBCT)

There is a push to rename HBCTs as Armored Brigade Combat Teams (ABCTs) but I don't know if this has been officially approved by the Army.

[Scooch59]

Both became Heavy Brigade Combat Teams which are armor heavy formations under the Army reorganization a few years back:

81st Heavy Brigade Combat Team (HBCT)
155th Heavy Brigade Combat Team (HBCT)

There is a push to rename HBCTs as Armored Brigade Combat Teams (ABCTs) but I don't know if this has been officially approved by the Army.

Hey Kevin. Thanks again, Just got thru re arranging my patches and found out that the 153rd Field Artillery Phoenix Arizonia ARNG is now a Maneuver Enhancement Brigade along with the 377th Support Command and the 21st Support Command are now Sustainment Commands. And now that all Transportation Bdes/Cmds are disbanded except the 184th and 7th and the 143rd are different names. Two new shoulder sleeve insignias out, Aviation unit and Sustainment Command out also. Everything is changing very quickly, can't keep up with all the new changes. What I can't understand, is why leave the old patches intact, such as old FA Bdes, and Transportation Bdes/Cmds in different categories, and make new insignias to match the categories to go along with the patches. I never understood why the 258th MP Bde never changed its colors to match the MP colors and left it in Infantry colors until it disbanded. So be it- again thanks. Martin

[J_Andrews]

The simple answer(s):

1. Less effort/thinking for TIOH.
2. The units don't complain.

Another, though lesser, consideration is that, unlike Federal (Active and USAR), National Guard units DIRECTLY INHERIT the "heraldic entitlements" of whatever unit they came FROM. Many NG Inf and Arty regts have been redesignated as CAVALRY, and their DUIs have not changed. Same for Eng and FA as Sustainment and/or Maneuver Enhancement. They do not have to change their insignia and usually do not.

[ehrentitle]

What's that old saying? "The only constant in the Army is change."

TIOH don't decide issues of activation or inactivation of units, or re-designation of units. That's the responsibility of the branch proponent of that organization as well as the National Guard and Army Reserve in coordination with the Center of Military History. When the new modular Army was planned several years ago the Center of Military History was closely consulted. In the case of Guard and Reserve it's often just a matter of preserving the linage of a unit traditionally long associated with the State or geographical area. That's why several Sustainment units inherited the linage, honors and unit patches of WW II Divisions. This includes the 77th, 89th, 90th, and 96th Sustainment Brigades and 103rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command all USAR units.

Edited by ehrentitle, 10 April 2012 - 06:53 PM.