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#1 teufelhunde.ret

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 09:45 AM

Granted - I've never held one in my hand, but the seller's claim appears to me to be bogus - simply because of the screwback feature (and two different sizes at that!). Will post scan of Orgell's emblem from Moran book / appendix next. One other thing - notice the quality of these pictures compared to the other sales right now...? Frankly leads to even more skeptisum... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif One more thing - how do you suppose one is to use a screwback with a shoulder knot :blink:

http://cgi.ebay.com/...I...A:IT&ih=013

BTW - does anyone own one of these - does anyone have period pictures to share will us? s/f Darrell

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 09:48 AM

Orgell's emblem scan taken from Morans book / appendix http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 07:29 PM

the anchor flukes and the length of the shaft near the top are very different. the scan is too bad to tell, but the auction bird details look minimal compared to the book depiction

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 08:25 PM

Orgell's emblem scan taken from Morans book / appendix http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif


The one in the scan looks to be silver, while the one on ebay is not, even after I took it into Photoshop to try to remove some of the color cast:

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I went back and looked at an old thread from the second week the forum was online and it looks like the screwback with the serrated edge on the screws is a 1920's or 30's thing.

An interesting thing here: "China Marine EGAs usually differ due to the addition of two fasteners vs. single fasteners of others." That's from http://www.leatherne...ad.php?p=137178

I wonder if someone took a pre-war shoulder board EGA and crossed it with a post-war back to make some new fantasy piece?

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 08:44 AM

Granted - I've never held one in my hand, but the seller's claim appears to me to be bogus - simply because of the screwback feature (and two different sizes at that!). Will post scan of Orgell's emblem from Moran book / appendix next. One other thing - notice the quality of these pictures compared to the other sales right now...? Frankly leads to even more skeptisum... http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif One more thing - how do you suppose one is to use a screwback with a shoulder knot :blink:

http://cgi.ebay.com/...I...A:IT&ih=013

BTW - does anyone own one of these - does anyone have period pictures to share will us? s/f Darrell


I have one that looks (as best memory serves me at the moment) to be identical to the double screw-back one shown here. I'm on my lunch break at work at the moment and don't have access to it. I'll pull it out when I home and photo and post it.

I've always thought it to be a replica or fantasy item since I got it as a free-bee from a guy who sold me a pair of officer's M-1937 officer's EGAs some 10-12 years ago.

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 03:30 PM

As promised, here's my version of this EGA. As I mentioned, I got it as a throw-in when I bought some other items from a fellow over a decade ago and assumed it was a replica. It does appear to have separately applied continents and as you can see from the shot of the back, double screw-post mounts (one nut has temporarily gone MIA somewhere around here.

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 03:42 PM

As promised, here's my version of this EGA. As I mentioned, I got it as a throw-in when I bought some other items from a fellow over a decade ago and assumed it was a replica. It does appear to have separately applied continents and as you can see from the shot of the back, double screw-post mounts (one nut has temporarily gone MIA somewhere around here.

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Perhaps there is something to that statement I quoted above from leatherneck.com "China Marine EGAs usually differ due to the addition of two fasteners vs. single fasteners of others."

Could it have been that one of the old shoudler knot EGA's was used to cast EGA's with two screws? Is there any history of China Marines having EGA's made in China?

As the image above notes, the old shoulder knot EGA's had the eagle attached by a silver piece. That would have been something like this 1890's shoulder knot piece:

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