1st Army Artillery Uniform

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Got this uniform back in December. Really excited as it is my first WWI tunic.

 

Jacob

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33rd Artillery disc

[Edelweisse]

I think 33rd Coastal Artillery regiment....but usually had 33 on US disk with alpha character for battery so I could be wrong. Waiting for SME ...nice tunic

[atb]

Disc indicates the 33d Company, Coast Artillery Corps. The WW1 CAC regiments formed for overseas service were made up of CAC companies from Coast Defense Commands. They became lettered batteries in the new regiments, but some soldiers could have worn their old company discs. Briefly, CAC discs had company numbers below the cannons, field artillery discs had regiment numbers above the cannons and battery letters below.

[repbrock]

Did you get a name or attribution for the uniform? I can help you with research depending on which regiment he served in during the War. He was overseas and he was honorably.

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www.50cac.com

[littlewilly]

Disc indicates the 33d Company, Coast Artillery Corps. The WW1 CAC regiments formed for overseas service were made up of CAC companies from Coast Defense Commands. They became lettered batteries in the new regiments, but some soldiers could have worn their old company discs. Briefly, CAC discs had company numbers below the cannons, field artillery discs had regiment numbers above the cannons and battery letters below.

Just a little more to add to atb's information which is all correct. Many soldiers from CAC units did indeed wear their original issue collar discs, as new ones were not immediately available in France for their new unit. That applies to all types of units overseas. Sometimes the company letter was from a previous unit (man was originally assigned to "A" Company of ......regiment, and in France was assigned to "F" Company of a different regiment, as an example. Soldier did not receive new disc for his new assignment, or chose to continue to wear his original one). The CAC units formed in France typically had the regimental number on the US collar disc if they bothered with a number at all. MHJ

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Thanks for the info guys.

 

Jacob

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Did you get a name or attribution for the uniform? I can help you with research depending on which regiment he served in during the War. He was overseas and he was honorably.

I will check for a name when I get home from college. I think it was named.

 

Jacob

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Just a little more to add to atb's information which is all correct. Many soldiers from CAC units did indeed wear their original issue collar discs, as new ones were not immediately available in France for their new unit. That applies to all types of units overseas. Sometimes the company letter was from a previous unit (man was originally assigned to "A" Company of ......regiment, and in France was assigned to "F" Company of a different regiment, as an example. Soldier did not receive new disc for his new assignment, or chose to continue to wear his original one). The CAC units formed in France typically had the regimental number on the US collar disc if they bothered with a number at all. MHJ

I am just curious, but do you have a source for that information? I would be interested to find evidence(specifically photographic) of men wearing crossed cannon numbered insignia on their collars while in France, during their training with their newly formed regiment or after the war and before being discharged. I do agree that before and after the war, they may have added or replaced insignia from their previous or post-war company, but I have not found any evidence of them wearing them in France, during, after their reassignment from their original Coast Artillery Company or directly after the war and before being discharged. I have found evidence of just about every combination of discs through the 1000's of images of I have of CAC units, including more than 75 CAC AEF regimental yard longs taken before and after the war, but I would really like to find an image of a member of any of the CAC soldier wearing such a disc. Thanks for any help you could be. Only 46 Artillery Regiments made it to France, 42nd through the 75th, that's not counting other CAC regiments such as Ammunition Trains, Trench Mortar or Artillery Parks. I have several yard longs from the regiments that did not make it to France including the 27th and 38th, but nothing whatsoever from the 33rd. If I do come across something, I will let you know. I suspect he was in the 33rd either before or after the war and served in a different regiment during the war, since the uniform indicates service in France. If you had a name, I could confirm. More information from Bolling Smith's book below.

 

 

Coast Artillery Companies 1901-1924

Bolling W. Smith

The following listing of serially numbered companies of coast artillery gives their locations and changes

in designations from their creation in 1901 until 1924, when the separate company numbers were finally

abolished. This list is best used in conjunction with “Coast Artillery Organization: A Brief Overview,” in

the May 2008 Coast Defense Journal (Vol. 22 No. 2).

Redesignations were effective in the year shown. The year shown for locations indicates that the company

was at the new post in that year, but could have arrived there during the previous year. Units in parentheses

in the headings indicate the units from which the companies were formed, either by redesignation of lettered

companies of the seven artillery regiments in 1901, or by splitting existing companies of coast artillery.

 

33rd Company (L/3rd Artillery)

1901 – Manila, PI

1901 – Fort Canby, WA

1902 – Stevens, OR

1903 – Fort Columbia, WA

1907 – Mine company

1916 – Fort Mills, PI

1916 – 14th Company, Fort Mills, PI

1917 – 14th Company, CD Manila & Subic Bays,

Fort Frank, PI

1918 – Fort Mills and Fort Hughes, PI

1922 – D/62nd Artillery Regiment (AA), CAC;

33rd Company, CAC (additional designation)

1924 – D/62nd CA Regiment (AA), inactive

Coast Artillery Regiments in World War One

RGT ORGANIZED STATIONS IN US DEMOBILIZED

6th Prov Ft Adams, July 1917 PoE Hoboken 51st CA Rgt

7th Prov Ft Adams, July 1917 PoE Hoboken 52nd CA Rgt

8th Prov Ft Adams, July 1917 PoE Hoboken 53rd CA Rgt

How Rgt AEF, Mar 1918 44th CA Rgt

1-14 * *

15 Ft Crockett, Oct 1918 Ft Crockett

16 * *

17 Ft Monroe, Oct 1918 Ft Monroe

18 Ft W Scott, Oct 1918 Ft W Scott

19 Ft MacArthur, Oct 1918 Ft MacArthur

20 Ft Crockett, Oct 1918 Ft Crockett

21 Ft Pickens, Nov 1918 Ft Pickens

22 * *

23 * *

24 * *

25 Ft Rosecrans, Oct 1918 Ft Rosecrans

26 Ft Screven, Nov 1918 Ft Screven

27 Ft Stevens, Oct 1918 Cp Eustis Cp Eustis

28 Ft Strong, Nov 1918 Ft Revere Ft Revere

29 Ft Williams, Nov 1918 Ft Williams

30 Ft HG Wright, Nov 1918 Cp Eustis Cp Eustis

31 Ft Hancock, Oct 1918 Cp Eustis

32 Ft Hamilton, Oct 1918 Cp Eustis

33 Ft Strong, Sept 1918 Cp Eustis

34 Ft Totten, Oct 1918 Cp Eustis

35 Ft DuPont, Nov 1918 Ft DuPont & Cp Meade

36 Ft Moultrie, Sept 1918 Cp Eustis, Cp Stuart Ft Monroe

37 Ft Hancock, Sept 1918 Cp Eustis, Cp Stuart Ft Hancock

38 Ft Hamilton, Sept 1918 Cp Eustis, Cp Stuart Ft Hamilton

39 Ft Worden, Sept 1918 Cp Upton, Cp Grant Cp Grant

40 Ft W Scott, Sept 1918 Cp Upton, Cp Grant Presidio of SF

41 Ft Monroe, Oct 1918 Ft Monroe

42 AEF, Aug 1918 Cp Stuart, Cp Eustis %

43 AEF, Aug 1918 Cp Hill, Cp Eustis %

44 AEF, Aug 1918 from How Rgt Cp Mills, Ft Totten %

45 Cp Eustis, July 1918 Cp Stuart, PoE N News, Cp Mills Cp Dix

46 Cp Eustis, July 1918 PoE N News, Cp Mills Cp Dix

47 Cp Eustis, July 1918 Cp Stuart, PoE NNews, Cp Eustis Cp Eustis

48 Cp Eustis, July 1918 Cp Stuart, PoE Nnews Cp Grant

49 Cp Eustis, July 1918 Cp Stuart, PoE NNews, Cp Merritt Cp Grant

50 Cp Eustis, July 1918 Cp Stuart, PoE NNews Cp Grant

51 AEF, Feb 1918, from 6th Prov Cp Mills, Ft Hamilton, Cp Jackson %

52 AEF, July 1917, from 7th Prov Cp Stuart, Cp Eustis %

53 AEF, Mar 1919, from 8th Prov Cp Stuart, Cp Eustis %

54 CD Portland, Jan 1918 PoE Hoboken Cp Devens

55 CD Boston, Dec 1917 Cp Merritt, PoE Hoboken, Cp Mills, %

Ft HG Wright, Ft W Scott, Cp Lewis

466 American Seacoast Defenses

56 Ft HG Wright, Dec 1917 PoE Hoboken, Cp Mills, Ft Schuyler, %

Cp Jackson

57 Ft Hancock, Jan 1918 PofHoboken, Cp Merritt, Ft W Scott, %

Cp Lewis

58 Ft Totten, Feb 1918 PoE Hoboken Cp Upton

59 Ft Hamilton, Jan 1918 Cp Upton, Ft W Scott, Cp Lewis %

60 Ft Monroe, Feb 1918 Cp Stuart, PoE NNews, Cp Merritt Ft Washington

61 Ft Moultrie, May 1918 Cp Eustis, Cp Stuart, PoE NNews Cp Upton

62 CD San Francisco, Jan 1918 Cp Mills, PoE Hoboken, Cp Stuart, Cp Eustis

Cp Eustis

63 CD Puget Sound, Dec 1917 Cp Mills, PoE Hoboken, Cp Mills Cp Lewis

64 CD Tampa, Jan 1918 Cp Upton, PoE Hoboken, Cp Stuart, Cp Eustis

Cp Eustis

65 Ft Stevens, Dec 1917 # San Francisco, Cp Merritt, PoE Hoboken, Cp Lewis

Cp Dix

66 CD Narragansett, Mar 1918 PoE Boston Cp Upton

67 Ft W Scott, May 1918 Cp Mills, PoE Hoboken, Presidio of SF Presidio of SF

68 Ft Terry, June 1918 PoE Boston, Cp Mills, Ft Wadsworth Ft Wadsworth

69 CD Puget Sound, May 1918 Cp Mills, PoE Philadelphia Cp Eustis

70 Ft Hamilton, June 1918 Ft Wadsworth, PoE Hoboken, Cp Merritt Cp Sherman

71 CD Boston, May 1918 PoE Boston, Cp Merritt Cp Devens

72 CD Portland, June 1918 Pof E Montreal, Cp Upton Cp Grant

73 Ft Banks, July 1918 Cp Mills, PoE Hoboken, Cp Mills Cp Devens

74 Ft Schuyler, June 1918 Cp Upton, PoE Hoboken, Cp Mills, Ft Totten

Ft Totten

75 Ft Moultrie, Sept 1918 Cp Merritt, PoE Hoboken, Cp Stuart Cp Grant

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* Never Organized

# Regiment assembled at San Francisco from several posts, March 1918

% Not demobilized

PoE Port of Entry

CAMPS

Cp Devens, MA, Cp Dix, NJ, Cp Eustis, VA, Cp Grant, IL, Cp Hill, VA, Cp Jackson, SC, Cp Lewis, WA

Cp Merritt, NY, Cp Mills, NY, Cp Sherman, OH, Cp Stuart, VA, Cp Upton, NY

From: Order of Battle, Zone of the Interior, Vol. 2, Pt. 3, CMH, pp. 1136 - 1142

 

[atb]

"...., but nothing whatsoever from the 33d."

 

In this case, the "33" on the disk is for a CAC company, not a regiment. I've looked at any CAC images I have, and cannot make out the collar disks clearly enough to tell what unit numbers they may have on them. I've seen uniforms with disks that represent the CAC brigade rather than the regiment.

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Is there a way to know where this guy was stationed during WWI?

[Edelweisse]

Check out this website https://archive.is/lW41#selection-52.1-61.0

 

About WWI Coastal Artillery

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I looked on the i side of the jacket and found the soldier had written H.W.L. 44 Art. AEF.