This and the following red devil patch have both been identified as representing the 5th AA MG Battalion.
Antiaircraft Artillery Units in WWI AEF
Posted 08 February 2019 - 11:59 AM
Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:01 PM
Here's Hagen's uniform. As you can see the arrow goes from bottom right to upper left. 1st AA MG battalion goes from upper left to bottom right.
Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:02 PM
This insignia along with the following patch have both been identified as either the 5th or 10th AA MG Battalion.
If the previous two shoulder patches are in fact 5th AA MG Battalion shoulder patches, then this pair cannot be, unless each battery had its own insignia, which seems unlikely to me.
Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:04 PM
The second of the two 5th or 10th AA MG Battalion insignia.
Can anybody confirn the ID of this patch?
Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:15 PM
Jon thank you for adding the 2nd AA MG Battalion patch photo.
Here are examples of the 1st and 3rd AA MG Battalion insignia, along with a sketch of an alternative 2nd AA MG Battalion patch design that may or may not have been made.
Edited by world war I nerd, 08 February 2019 - 12:16 PM.
Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:18 PM
Close up of a homeward bound AEF officer wearing the insignia of the 1st AA MG Battalion.
Photo courtesy of the Troy Morgan collection
Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:31 PM
Interesting, I'd seen it interpreted that the direction of the arrow determined which battalion. I'd assumed pointing up and to the left was 2nd AAMG and down and to the right was 1st. I've identified this one as 2nd, since I was able to match Hagen's name on the 2nd AAMG officer roster with his uniform.
Posted 08 February 2019 - 03:03 PM
This is another, so-called, anti-aircraft anomaly. I've seen this insignia placed between the legs of the First Army "A" patch, and all by itself as a stand alone patch.
It too is reputed to be an anti-aircraft insignia. But for which AA outfit?
That is the post-WW1 Distinctive Unit Insignia for the US Army 2nd Infantry Regiment. It was worn in the lower left sleeve (I think it was the left) of the olive drab service coat. It was replaced at some point by a metal and enameled DUI. It has nothing to do with WW1 AAA units.
Posted 09 February 2019 - 04:43 PM
Cobrahistoriah, to date, I've seen the AA MG Patch arrow pointing in three directions: up and to the left - up and to the right - and down and to the right.
I think that the arrow, regardless of the battalion, was supposed to be pointing up and to the left. The patches with arrows poingin other directions were likely the result of careless vendors who really didn't understand what the insignia was actually supposed to look like. For now, that's my theory anyways.
atb, thanks for providing the ID on the crossed arrow patch. I always wondered about that one. I did see one example of that patch sewn onto the lower left hand sleeve of an Army 1918 pattern service coat..
Edited by world war I nerd, 09 February 2019 - 04:54 PM.
Posted 09 February 2019 - 09:17 PM
Your theory makes sense because the pics and ID associated, do not match in the various post submitted.
Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:02 PM
Here's another head scrather. I've no idea if the shoulder patch worn in this image from Bay State Militaria's website is an AA patch or not, but it's possible.
I think I see a silvered prop Air Service collar disc on this gentleman. That would make the shoulder patch a form of the winged propeller patch seen now and then. MHJ
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