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#1 usmchistorian

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:14 AM

Man...I really wasn't sure where to put this. The topic could cross over to other conflicts. My question is this; are there any good pictures or reference of the boots issued to the Corps in the late 1800's to early 1900's? I know there are photos of Marines of the time periods but it's hard to make out the details of the footwear. I'm looking for boots that are prior to 1912. Any help would be appreciated.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:43 AM

I am also looking for some comments on this one. I have acquired two pairs of boots over the years that I believe are probably civilian, but match the look anyway of period boots worn by the Marines around the turn of the century. I tried to do the same research a couple years ago to determine if either of my pair had a chance. I couldn't find much at all on the subject, other than looking through a magnifying glass at a few period photos. The little I can share is they should be black toe cap boots with brown colored laces with I believe four hooks at the top. If I remember right a white or cream colored cotton or canvas lining probably with a contract stamp for issued ones. Mine don't have the stamp inside, but could have worn off or never stamped, I don't know. I will try to post a photo of the two I have and once again, would love to see an attributed pair or ones marked for comparison. This is one of the many reasons I cannot wait for Alec's next volume. Kevin

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:10 AM

Here are my two boots, again probably civilian, but of the period and should be very close to what Marines were wearing at the time. They are place setters for me to display with my USMC Span Am uniforms until I can maybe someday find a marked pair. There is a good studio photo on page 306 of Equipping the Corps that shows two brother, a Marine and a Sailor. Close ups study of their boots help, but of course that is WWI period and the sailors boots are the most visible of the two. Hope this helps a bit, would once again love to see what others have to say or show.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:22 AM

You will also find some info/photos on page 103 and 118 of US Marine Uniforms 1912-1940 by Moran, although the boots depicted are a bit newer than turn of the century.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:02 AM

I've also been trying to work out what kind of footwear was issued to the Marines between 1902 and 1919 with little success.

 

However, I did run across a pair of reproduction USMC shoes that were caller the 1910 Cordovan Shoe which, if I'm to believe what the website told me were issued through WW II.

 

Top left are the repro shoes, top right are a pair of 1944 dated Cordovan Shoes and at the bottom is an ad for USMC surplus shoes from 1920

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:36 AM

Kevin,
I have that exact pair in your second photo. Mine are very dark (cordovan in color). Our boots have the right charachteritics. Capped toe, color, and a narrow toe. As far as the eye hooks, I thought it might be a correct detail but without seeing a confirmed pair, who knows. Mine also have the "white" duck like lining inside. Does yours have the Goodyear soles as well? I can't recall the page number but there is a great shot in Alec's book Equipping the Corps of a Marine holding a Krag and you can see a great shot of the toe caps and how narrow the style is.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:43 AM

Neither of my pair are marked Goodyear on the sole. One is marked "Light Tread" and the other "Presto Grip", and both appear to be hard rubber. Not sure about the hooks either-the photos I referenced above in both Tulkoff's book and Moran's book all appear to have the hooks.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:33 AM

Supposedly mine came from a Marine grouping. The guy I purchased them from claims to have sold a turn of the century Marine grouping but forgot about the boots. He found them later after he sold the group and made them availble on the market. However, as we all know talk is cheap and means nothing without being truly verified. I did locate some numbers on the white lining but no other USMC stamps of any kind.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

I have some numbers inside mine as well, partially obscured and can't see any usmc markings. I would love to see your pair if you get a chance to post some pics. Kevin

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:01 PM

Here are some pics

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Toe cap detail

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Lace and eyelet detail

 

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Heel detail. There is an embossed stamp on the sole that reads "arch support of steel".

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:07 PM

Well for some reason the ipad isn't posting the pics right. I will have to edit it when I get home. My apologies.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:15 AM

Well here are the photos.  Looks like they might be thumbnails. 

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:24 AM

Better pics!

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:25 AM

Lace, eyelet, and heel details..

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 04:22 PM

Man those look almost identical to mine, just a different maker on the heel. Kevin

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 04:48 PM

They are almost spot on aren't they?  What numbers do you have stamped inside?



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:03 PM

I need to find some of my early pics but I believe there might be some shoe/boot detail in them. I know I have data about boots falling apart when exposed to ocean water and maybe who the contract belonged too. I think I have civil war era contract info too.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:46 PM

USMC Boots/shoes 1900-1911 time period.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:51 PM

One of my pics from 1912-1913 time period.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:56 PM

WWI time period shoes if I recall correctly, if not they came form a 1920s grouping.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:57 PM

These I believe are WWI, but would need to check as well.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:06 PM

January 1897 photograph of a First Sgt Marine on board the USS Brooklyn. 

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:13 PM

Great topic of something I've never seen posted before! Thanks!



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:51 PM

Not sure of the exact date but pre WW I ... detail to follow

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:51 PM

Close up of the shoes

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