Sabrejet Posted October 10, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 10, 2015 The forum's wings collectors will probably have seen the four British-made wings I've posted on here in the past week. Here's #5. However....I have my doubts about this one. I've actually had it for at least twenty years now but can't remember exactly where I bought it, from whom, nor how much I paid for it. It's a undoubtedly a very attractive wing with well defined feathering in the British style and has a British style pin/catch, but....... Anyway, see what you think. The first pic below is of an original Ludlow wing so you can compare the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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littlebuddy Posted October 10, 2015 Share #5 Posted October 10, 2015 does not seem to be a lot of space between the pin hinge and the catch Ian ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted October 10, 2015 does not seem to be a lot of space between the pin hinge and the catch Ian ? No there's not Carl. That's one of the anomalies. That said...pinned to a uniform it looks perfect and displays very well indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMariner Posted October 11, 2015 Share #7 Posted October 11, 2015 Your wing collection is amazing, keep up the posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted October 11, 2015 Your wing collection is amazing, keep up the posts! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted October 11, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 11, 2015 this one appears cast to me.. and weren't all Brit wings die-struck? the details on the front are very convincing... -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted October 11, 2015 this one appears cast to me.. and weren't all Brit wings die-struck? the details on the front are very convincing... -Brian I concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted October 11, 2015 Another comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted October 11, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 11, 2015 Saberjet, This is actually a very interesting wing. Some may think it is a fake (as I have been told by one or two others), but I don't think that is actually the case. I have a wing like this and there is another one shown in one of the Pink and Greens book. I have seen similar ones in other collections as well and am convinced that they are period WWII vintage English-made wings. The thing is, this wing seems to have been made with all sorts of different style pins, catches and hinges. In fact, of all the different examples I've looked at, I'm not sure any two wings have the same findings on the back! Here is mine, with an absolutely MASSIVE pin. The diagnostic aspect of this wing is that there are some die flaws that you see in the reverse of the wing (little creases in the metal), along the lower back edge, on either side by the shield. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted October 11, 2015 Share #13 Posted October 11, 2015 Also, sometimes I have noticed that the pot metal used to make English wings tends to get a little metal decay (something like the zinc rot of Nazi badges). Especially if some of the silver wash/plated finish starts to come off, it can leave pits and discolorations that look like casting flaws. That may have given this wing a "cast" look. Frankly, it is sometimes very hard to tell the difference, even with a loop and handling by hand. But, this is really a "cool-beans" feathering pattern that I really like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted October 11, 2015 Thank you Patrick. Yours does indeed look very similar...notwithstanding the huge pin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted October 11, 2015 Share #15 Posted October 11, 2015 Sabrejet do you have a picture of the edge of this wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted October 11, 2015 Sabrejet do you have a picture of the edge of this wing? Not at the moment, no...sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeK Posted October 14, 2015 Share #17 Posted October 14, 2015 I have a couple of pairs of this style in my collection - 1 pair with the short needle pin and the other with lugs. I believe they are probably die struck however, it's quite possible they are die cast but then die trimmed. In either case there appear to be shear marks along the edges. Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeK Posted October 14, 2015 Share #18 Posted October 14, 2015 Reverses - sorry for the weird angle they lie on the scanner - you'll see why in the following image (next post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeK Posted October 14, 2015 Share #19 Posted October 14, 2015 Top edge scan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted October 14, 2015 Yet more variants! Thanks for the additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty1418 Posted October 14, 2015 Share #21 Posted October 14, 2015 Seems like the one I posted yesterday is right in line with these unmarked examples...no bubbling or cast marks on mine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAF_Collection Posted October 14, 2015 Share #22 Posted October 14, 2015 It would be good to see an attributed example, for instance as part of a grouping, or pictures of this type being worn (not that I'm questioning the authenticity of those shown). The version with lugs has always intrigued me, as to wear one would require some pretty hefty holes in the uniform!. Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty1418 Posted October 15, 2015 Share #23 Posted October 15, 2015 I was told that an unmarked example is featured in the 'pinks and greens' book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted November 24, 2015 Share #24 Posted November 24, 2015 I just picked this up off of eBay for a pretty good price. Same as the ones above, but with the large pin style as opposed to the cotter pin lugs. I believe that these are British made. No doubt to me that they are from the same dies as the ones shown above. Same wing with at least 3 different findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted November 24, 2015 Share #25 Posted November 24, 2015 the back, showing the characteristic die strike marks on the reverse. Also, a massive pin and hinge assembly. This thing wasn't going anywhere the owner didnt want it to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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