Once again a camillus needs some help to be indentified

[Sergeant Brown]

Hi Everbody,

 

 

Once again a camillus needs some help to be indentified.

 

A friend of mine is a Dutch marine and received a gift from a fellow us marine .

 

He told me his fellow marine used this camillus during Iraq.

 

But when I looked at the knife I wondered.

 

Doesn't it look likes a ww2 camillus with al those markings on them?

 

Does any one has a different opinion?

 

perhaps not the worlds greatest picture, but I haven't got any other pictures.

 

thanks,

 

 

Mark

 

The Netherlands

[Sergeant Brown]

some more pictures

[ww2relichunter]

This many be one that was from vietnam era make !

[doyler]

Typical WW2 manufactured Camillus USMC marked knife.

 

The engraving in the fuller may have been done by the former vet who used it in Iraq

 

Viet Nam era production knives were not marked USMC

[ww2relichunter]

Really thanks fro the info Doyler wasnt sure on this one ??

[Still-A-Marine]

This is a reproduction knife made by Camillus in the 80s & 90s.

 

They made it really close to the original so it does get misidentified often.

 

Three things in the marking that are a give away:

1) The M - the middle of the "M" should go all the way down. It only goes halfway. Look on both the USMC & CAMILLUS.

2) The comma is up higher on the WWII knife verses the reproduction.

3) The C is almost closed on the WWII knife but much more open on the reproductions.

 

Bill

[Still-A-Marine]

Here is one of mine.

Look at the "M", the "C" and the comma.

[Still-A-Marine]

Look at the M.

Also the C is much more open on the reproduction.

 

Bill

[doyler]

Good catch Bill

 

Wasnt aware they made the repros that close to the originals

[sactroop]

Here’s a link to Frank’s page on reproduction knives that also gives a side by side comparison of the original and the repro. This is one of those that will burn a lot of people. I think I could have walked away this knife too to be honest.

http://usmilitaryknives.com/camillus.htm

 

The knife still could still be as advertised. A lot of personal purchase blades go to war.

[SKIPH]

I've been looking at this for days. Finally, sactroop pointed me in the right direction. Without an original in hand it would be tough. But, the false edge is the real discriminator. That's obvious. THX ! SKIP

[gunbarrel]

the false edge is the real discriminator.

 

Skip is right. Click here:

 

http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/camillus.htm

[Sergeant Brown]

Hi everbody,

 

thanks for the info.

 

I wasn't sure about this one.

 

I though when I compared it with one of mine, I saw the "m" wasn't really looking like mine.

 

but I'm glad you pointed it out once more.

 

once again I learned something on this great forum.

 

so thanks again,

 

greetings from the Netherlands

 

Mark

[sactroop]

I was looking thru some .pdf files of old Camillus catalogs. Looks like the U.S.M.C. blade marked remake of the knife first shows up in their catalogs in 1994 as stock number 5685B. It continues right up to the companies final catalog in 2006.

[sactroop]

I went thru the catalogs again concentrating on examples of the 1219C2 knives with the short radius cut for the false edge. I first see these used in the catalog dated 1992. It certainly could be that Camillus changed the geometry for the false edge earlier than that. It’s not uncommon for knife companies to use earlier examples of their product patterns for catalog pictures.

Here’s a link to the catalogs on the (Collectors of Camillus) site for anyone who wants to do their own looking.

http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Catalogs/Catalogs.htm

[sactroop]

Sorry to revive this old thread, but I felt this is worth sharing.

Just saw pictures of a verified Camillus reproduction U.S.M.C. marked 1219C2 pattern knife that has the long relief cut for the false edge of the blade.

It seems like one really has to look hard and get very familiar with the WW2 stampings to reliably tell these knives apart.

I’ll see if I can get the owner to post pictures of his knife here for the rest of us to see.

[Got da Penny]

This is a reproduction knife made by Camillus in the 80s & 90s.

 

They made it really close to the original so it does get misidentified often.

 

Three things in the marking that are a give away:

1) The M - the middle of the "M" should go all the way down. It only goes halfway. Look on both the USMC & CAMILLUS.

2) The comma is up higher on the WWII knife verses the reproduction.

3) The C is almost closed on the WWII knife but much more open on the reproductions.

 

Bill

 

Bill, Nice info to know ..... That's why this is a great group, we are ALL here to learn the "Key" points.

 

 

Carey