Vietnam War

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I am posting this under the heading MILITARY HISTORY DISCUSSIONS because a thread on Ken Burn's documentary was closed because it contained

"political comments". I had to laugh at that.

 

So, I am going to create this thread and if it offends the moderators because they are "reds, anarchists" etc. then BAN ME FROM THIS FORUM as it

proves that no one really has an interest in the truth just the sensitivities of political stupidity.

 

As I stated before, I AM NOT AN AMERICAN. But I have always been intelligent enough to respect the service of those Americans who went to Vietnam

to fight for a righteous cause.

 

I have watched episode 1 of Ken Burn's documentary and it is an ignorant and inexcusable travesty of history.

 

Most of the the episode is a CBS documentary by that moron Walter Kronkite. It begins in 1954 with Dien Bien Phu.

 

All I want to say in this post is that you CANT begin the history of the war in Vietnam in the 1950's.

 

This has ALWAYS perplexed me. However, after researching Soviet espionage in the west from 1919 I can now answer this question.

 

I know there are a few on this forum ultra-sensitive to the truth and oddly support far left politics. However the fact is, as stated by Burns and Novak

in an interview about the documentary, they were on University campuses when all this went down. So they themselves likely have some political bias

and a soft spot for anti-war protesters. One of the biggest institutions infiltrated by Communists was the educational system. This throughout the entire

west after 1919 with the creation of the Communist International / Communist Information bureau. Many Soviet moles operating within all aspects of Western

society attended and were recruited while attending a wide array of Universities and Colleges to include Cambridge, Oxford, London School of Economics, University

of Toronto, McGill, Harvard, Princeton, Berkeley, Yale etc. etc. etc. So the possibility of bias is profound in western Universities even to this very day.

The evidence of this is in the fact that the war in Vietnam really began in the 1930's and the stage set during WWII. The pivotal years being 1943 and 1944.

If you do not start the war there and neglect to look into the Communist infiltration of your society, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

 

Obviously I am not going to write a book here, I am working on that. As stated my research seems to have upset some moderators on here. Lets see how they react

to this post under this heading.

 

There are some serious questions that need to be asked regarding US policy in China and Indochina during WWII. The Democratic presidents Roosevelt and Truman

and their White House advisers ( some of which are now known to be outright Soviet moles) threw the French to the wolves under the excuse of anti-colonialism. The

truth was that they had secret sympathies for the Communists and refused to give the Nationalist Chinese ANY GUARANTEE that if they fought fully committed against the

Japanese that the US would be there for them against the Communists. Like in Eastern Europe, the US NEVER GAVE ANY ASSURANCE FOR THEIR SOVEREIGNTY while

demanding that they do their bidding. Churchill played a balancing act between Roosevelt and Stalin. However he secretly desired to confront Stalin but the US did not

reciprocate.

 

From British SIS documents what was happening in China and Indochina becomes very clear. This was an ignorant or deliberate policy on behalf of the US to exterminate the

French in Indochina and discredit the KMT in order to the support the Communists in Asia. The KMT and French hated each other however

British documents reveal that Chiang and the French were actually in discussions. So it was absolutely possible for some negotiation to occur to support the French and KMT in joint

operations with an endgame to eventually explore the possibility of independence for Indochina.

 

What upset this possibility was US policy to leave both Chiang and the French out to dry. I might remind the reader that the Vichy French/Free French had Annamite allies and

at one point had 10,000 more men armed than the Japanese. The British reluctantly began training Free French forces to land in Indochina to bolster these troops to defeat the Japanese. However

the US would have none of it. This policy severely affected this buildup of French troops.

 

One needs to remember that Indochina was THE ONLY Japanese supply route to their forces in the SEAC and Western China Command. If the US had actively supported the French and allowed joint missions into the Country to defeat the Japanese, it would have quickly ended the fighting in Burma, Malaya, Sumatra, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Indochina and western China. It would have released all the resources in India, SEAC and much of that in China Command to fight elsewhere and likely would have resulted in the expulsion of the Japanese from China altogether. However Roosevelt did not care. In March 1944 the Japanese were warned ( some say by a deliberate US deception campaign to make the Japanese believe that the US was going to invade the country from China) and the French were slaughtered before they were ready. They disarmed the French and proceeded to murder both French men, women and children as well as Annamites friendly with the French, Many French that fled into China ended up prisoners of the KMT.

The Japanese put a puppet leader in charge and declared an independent Annam. Since Roosevelt would not commit to Chiang and give US assurance that they would help the KMT against the Chinese Communists, ALL of Asia was under threat of Communism.

 

The biggest lie of all was that Ho Chi Minh was an independence fighter. This is BS. We now know that he was indeed an agent of the Communist International and had continuous links with the Cominform and the Chinese Communists. He was trained by both the Soviets and Chinese Communists. HE WAS NOT THE ONLY political leader in the north after independence. There were others more palatable to the French and KMT. They were all MURDERED by the Viet Minh.

 

Even back then the media was spinning tales and lies about the Viet Minh, their links and their intentions. One also needs to understand that many of the allied organizations involved in relaying information from

behind KMT lines were controlled by left leaning media. They reported to UN organizations like UNRAA which we now know was inundated with Communist sympathizers and agents of the Soviets. There is a documentary on the Chinese Civil War that discusses the role of the western media in opinion regarding the KMT. When one looks at the careers and lives of those sending reports to the news agencies back in the US it is evident that they either cooked the information themselves or believed everything UN reps were telling them about what was happening behind the lines. Lines that few media bothered to cross.

 

It is insane to think that people like Roosevelt and Truman did not know in the late 1930's that the Soviets were NOT our allies. The FBI were constantly warning them about people within their own circles handing secrets to the Soviets. Between 1943 and 1945 they refused to do anything about it. After all it was Communism and Soviet policy that created WWII in the first place. Hitler's rise to power was almost completely due to the unchecked threat of Communists in Germany to the fledgling Wiemar Republic. Hitler thought he had to counter the spread of Communism and Communist infiltration to save Germany from the fate of Russia. A Communist dogma of global control that predated the NAZI's AND Mussolini by decades. So the evil dogma of Communism created the evil dogma of National Socialism. We did not win WWII people, we simply traded one evil regime for another.

 

One of the biggest news stories of 1937 was the defection of Soviet spy Walter Krivitsky. He even published a book and because he was working with the FBI, SIS and RCMP he was murdered in 1941 by the NKVD in the US. He revealed Stalin's espionage in the west. There were several wartime Soviet spy rings uncovered during the period they were supposed to be our allies. Ever wonder why Stalin was so

smug at the various Big Three meetings ? This is because he was being told Allied policy by his moles within the US, Canadian, British and French governments before he met with them. He already knew exactly

what they were going to say and what was important to them. Therefore the Communists knew that the US would not defend Eastern Europe OR Asia. He also had pre-knowledge of the Manhattan project and impounded US B-29 aircraft under his Soviet-Japanese Pact in order to reverse engineer them. Roosevelt and Truman DID NOTHING. Stalin did this because he fully expected to have a bomb soon and needed an aircraft like the B-29 to carry it. This became the Tupolev SU-4.

 

In order to truly discuss why so many Americans had to die in Vietnam, you need to begin with these facts. The US government sold out their allies to the Communists PERIOD! ! ! ! !

 

THIS IS WHAT BEGAN THE US INVOLVEMENT IN VIETNAM. It sort of brings to mind -what goes round comes around. Yet it will be innocent boys from the west that will pay for the stupidity

of Roosevelt and Truman with their lives, limbs and minds.

 

From there you can ask yourself why the US and UN in Korea and later the US in Vietnam never committed full hardheartedly to the conflict???????

 

The left media of the time also played up the prowess of the Vietcong. The Vietcong were nothing without the backing of the US, Soviets and the Communist Chinese.

All the tactics and tricks used by the Vietcong were old news by the VIetnam war. All the booby traps, tunnels etc. etc. had already been used by the British in Burma

with the Japanese being masters at tunneling. I have British intelligence documents for Far East Jed's in Burma disclosing how to make all the booby traps adopted

by the Vietcong which they likely got from the OSS or just because these were traps used by the indigenous peoples of Asia for thousands of years. The British

SOE in Burma used pungee stick traps to kill Japanese in 1942-43.

 

All I want to say is do the research and dig. If you don't believe anything I say above, Look it up for yourself. That is all I am encouraging here. Also the fact that you

dont know anything if you don't start at the VERY beginning and begin with first hand policy documents and intel. Don't trust the media. They have an agenda. One

of the biggest idiots during the war was Walter Kronkite, well and Morley Safer. In my opinion THEY were war criminals. The Communists could not have asked for a better mouth pieces.

 

All of you shaking your heads at this point need to ask yourself. If there was no threat to the west by global Communism please explain to me why ALL documents that directly incriminate western politicians

are still CLOSED !!!! I am not just talking about Democrats but also, for example, Conservatives in Canada. After all incriminating documents pointing to Liberal Canadian Prime Ministers working for the Soviets

were closed in an agreement with Conservative PM Joe Clark in 1980. What did the Soviets have on Clark and his Ministers ??? British intelligence has been accused of covering up for many of their top politicians

and men at the top of their intelligence services. The OSS was also inundated with Communists. Ever wonder why MacArthur and Chester Nimitz wanted nothing to do with them ???? It was leftists in the OSS that came up the OSS Missions to the Chinese Communists and Viet Minh.

 

If the moderators feel there is any unjustified comments here, I challenge them to pick out something and ask me to prove it with references. If they simply delete this post under this heading, then

you might want to rethink your involvement on this forum. After all, I am digging for the truth for those 50,000 or more Americans AND Canadians who joined the US military who were murdered

in Vietnam.

 

It is too bad one cant ask Kronkite and Burn's why they started the history of the Vietnam War in 1954 ??? I know the answer to the Kronkite question. Didn't Walter ever ask himself where the

Viet Minh got the artillery they used to defeat the French at Dien Bien Phu ? I guess to a Communist that tidbit of information is not important.

 

Sorry for the crappy writing, but I cant spend a lot of time on this. As long as you understand what I am trying to say. There is yet to be a definitive and truthful documentary of the Vietnam War.

[Forum Manager]

I am posting this under the heading MILITARY HISTORY DISCUSSIONS because a thread on Ken Burn's documentary was closed because it contained

"political comments". I had to laugh at that.

 

So, I am going to create this thread and if it offends the moderators because they are "reds, anarchists" etc. then BAN ME FROM THIS FORUM as it

proves that no one really has an interest in the truth just the sensitivities of political stupidity.

 

Wow, so you want to come in here and offend other members and the admin staff?

 

Then you want to come in all call all other projects that have been done and the people associated with them, Morons?

 

It is obvious you are not here to talk about militaria but just your political views.

 

So we will give you your request, you are now banned.