bayonetman Posted January 16, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 16, 2015 Not mine and not Camillus so I am not interested, but thought maybe someone here would be. Looks WW2 issue to me, hopefully some of you will know better. About 1 day to go, no bids. $50 to start. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1924-65-MADE-IN-U-S-A-by-ULSTER-CAMILLUS-SCHRADE-USMC-POCKET-KNIFE-/221658947808?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item339be720e0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfishcraig Posted January 16, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 16, 2015 It's on my watch list and I'm not that I don't believe it's not on the watch list of a hundred others why point it out before the action ends or just post a picture if your not interested? To answer your question, yes it's 1940's USMC pocket knife. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted January 17, 2015 Share #3 Posted January 17, 2015 It's on my watch list and I'm not that I don't believe it's not on the watch list of a hundred others This is incomprehensible... Just curious, what are you trying to say to the Mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfishcraig Posted January 17, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 17, 2015 Just saying the same old song. Not that I don't believe that the intent was all in good, but it's kinda like buying a ticket for a door prize and looking around and seeing a hundred people in the same room and right before the winner is announced in walks a five hundred more people with a ticked for the same prize. I've made a similar post in the past but have come to the understanding that it's not always appreciated by all. Now If I need advise I will post a picture of the item instead of the listing and if others recognize it then they will get the benefit of any comments Made to the post. IMHO I think if you come across somthing of interest that is not in your area of collecting just watch it or if you personally know another collector that would like to bid shoot that person an IM. Like most of us, I'm a collector with a small budget and need to get lucky once in a while. Sorry for the rant. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porterkids Posted January 17, 2015 Share #5 Posted January 17, 2015 Several of the other forums I frequent have a strict policy about posting links to active auctions. I did it once and got a severe warning that I could be kicked off the forum if it happened again. I know there was nothing malicious about this post, it was strictly a "hey guys, take a look" type of message. I think catfish is trying to say that he was on to a sleeper on ebay that perhaps most others had not seen and he was hoping to win the auction at a low price. Now that it has been posted here, many others who don't regularly follow the auctions or who may have missed this piece will be bidding on it, killing his chances of getting it at a reduced price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted January 17, 2015 Bill, you are correct, I posted this just so those on this forum who are interested in this sort of thing would know it was there. I have always appreciated a "heads up" on items that might interest me that I might otherwise miss. In the future I will not post information on things like this - sorry I didn't mean to step on anyone's bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 17, 2015 Share #7 Posted January 17, 2015 Bayonetman and Camillusman is it now Gary? Till now I was only aware of three variations of the USMC jackknife, this would be a fourth. This seems to be a partial cross between the Camillus and Imperial/Kingston models only by the can opener. This knife is the Imperial/Kingston manufacture. On the known to me Imperial and Kingston they typically have a two piece can opener and on this particular knife it has the Camillus style one piece can opener. On page 57 in Silvey's book Pocket Knives of the US Military you can see the 3 typical variations. Other features of the Imperial/Kingston include round shield, long screw driver cap lifter and long clevis in contrast to the Camillus having short screw driver cap lifter, short (or old type) clevis and elongated shield. In line with Gary the USMC pocket knives are just out of my collecting interest so I do not have the three other variations to reference here. Pictured is the can openers I'm referencing. Left is a one piece Camillus type and on the right the typical can opener used by Imperial/Kingston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 17, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 17, 2015 For reference the knife in question, eBay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 17, 2015 Share #9 Posted January 17, 2015 here is the configuration I'm use to seeing with the Made in USA pocket knife. Knife pictured belongs to member Greg Sebring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 17, 2015 Share #10 Posted January 17, 2015 Add a 5th variation to the list, just came across this Ulster with round shield and late (circa 1945) eagle beak can opener. Knife belongs to member still-A-Marine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 17, 2015 Share #11 Posted January 17, 2015 Sorry for putting salt on the wound but the cat was already out of the bag so we might as well discuss it. If any one has the three variations as pictured in Silveys's book please do post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 17, 2015 Share #12 Posted January 17, 2015 I think catfish is trying to say that he was on to a sleeper on ebay that perhaps most others had not seen and he was hoping to win the auction at a low price. Now that it has been posted here, many others who don't regularly follow the auctions or who may have missed this piece will be bidding on it, killing his chances of getting it at a reduced price. I would have to disagree that it is a sleeper. I did a search for "USMC pocket knife" and it came right up, this would be a standard search term for anyone looking for one. Just because something doesn't have any bids does not mean it is a "sleeper". Anyone that EBay's often enough knows a zero bid auction can sky rocket in the final minute without warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted January 17, 2015 Share #13 Posted January 17, 2015 To confirm what dustin said above. I saw the knife in the OP more than a week ago too. Same thing for me "so many knives, only so much time and money to spend on them". Here's some pictures of an Imperial that the auction closed about two weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted January 17, 2015 Share #14 Posted January 17, 2015 Add a 5th variation to the list, just came across this Ulster with round shield and late (circa 1945) eagle beak can opener. Knife belongs to member still-A-Marine dustin, when it comes to the engineers/utility knives with bone scales, I seldom see them with the can opener on the main blade side of the knife. Above you mentioned a date of 1945. Would you think the switch over on blade placement is related to the type of can opener used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 17, 2015 Share #15 Posted January 17, 2015 The eagle beak can opener was a creation of Imperial with a patent application I believe in December of 1944, this why I say 1945 however I'm certain this can opener was being added to their branded knives in late 1944 manufacture. I do not think there is any correlation to the eagle beak and blade configuration. Here are some other examples with eagle beak opener, they are opposite the main blade. Top Ulster, middle Imperial and bottom Made in USA. note on the Ulster, top, the length of the screw driver cap lifter compared to the USMC brother above, I did not expose the leather punch so it is a engineer/camp 4 blade. I think an important thing here and is my understanding is that all these knife manufacturers were in bed together meaning they would swap pieces and parts with each other which might explain why the knife as part of the original post has the one piece can opener. Remember Imperial in 1943 had a major recall due to faulty can openers, they might have requisitioned these can openers from Camillus to meet production requirements now that's just a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 18, 2015 Share #16 Posted January 18, 2015 Another one posted by still-A-Marine. Western with eagle beak opposite the main. So its looking like that Ulster USMC knife steps out of the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-A-Marine Posted January 18, 2015 Share #17 Posted January 18, 2015 Another one posted by still-A-Marine. Western with eagle beak opposite the main. So its looking like that Ulster USMC knife steps out of the norm. I actually have a much nicer version of the Western folder. It also has the eagle beak opposite the main blade. I don't put to much stock in the Ulster. I have a feeling it's been reworked at some point. But I don't know that for sure. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted January 19, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 19, 2015 Well, it does not appear that the post raised the price to a sky-high amount. Only three people bid on it and the winner only bid once, way before the auction ended. He got it for $78, not a whole lot more than the starting bid of $50. ---------------------------------- Hey Dustin, I really like your pictures. If you are using a scanner, what's your secret? I've tried doing that and the results have been dismal. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 19, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 19, 2015 GB, it took a little bit of trial and error but found a real simple application. For smaller objects I use a white piece of construction paper from the dollar store measuring about 28" x 22". Then I have a set of economy studio light stands that have hoods which cost I think something like $30. The biggest trick I found was to use natural daylight bulbs, that's the key. For most of the pictures I post on the forum I simply use my iPhone to snap the shots and that is the result I get. I get much better pictures when using my digital camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfishcraig Posted January 19, 2015 Share #20 Posted January 19, 2015 Bill, you are correct, I posted this just so those on this forum who are interested in this sort of thing would know it was there. I have always appreciated a "heads up" on items that might interest me that I might otherwise miss. In the future I will not post information on things like this - sorry I didn't mean to step on anyone's bid. No hard feelings Guess I have to confess that I may have let a few personal issues with my teenager get me worked up a little about nothing. Funny I took my family on a trip to take the edge off things at home to come back and see that the knife didn't go for much more then it started. So I guess there was only three interested parties in the room and not 500. I do appreciate the good discussion that proceededy post. Thanks guys Craig BTW I didn't bid in the end. Too much bad mojo around the knife that I started and I really needed to spend time with the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted January 19, 2015 Share #21 Posted January 19, 2015 Dustin, Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I really like the results...great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porterkids Posted January 19, 2015 Share #22 Posted January 19, 2015 Then I have a set of economy studio light stands that have hoods which cost I think something like $30. The biggest trick I found was to use natural daylight bulbs, that's the key. Your photos are very nice. Are the lights you have like the clamp-on lights with an aluminum reflector? Is there any kind of lens on the fixture? Do you use incandescent or compact flourescent bulbs and what wattage? How far from the subject do you position the lights? Thank you for any any information you can share. A friend has asked me to provide photos for a book he is writing and I have to photograph 30-40 pieces. I've been shooting outdoors in indirect sunlight, but that's no fun when the temps are below freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share #23 Posted January 19, 2015 Here is my simple setup. On the floor is a white poster board from Dollar General, behind is a 3 foot high presentation panel board from Office Depot, 3 standard clamp on flood lights and bulbs from Home Depot. Camera is an 12 year old Sony, which has settings for Indoor which is what I use. With some practice, results can be had. For some I like a colored background: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted January 19, 2015 Share #24 Posted January 19, 2015 If one is going to use a scanner for 3 dimensional objects you have to take into account the scanners "depth of field" characteristics. Scanner manufactures don't usually worry about this as mostly people are scanning flat pieces of paper. Think of "depth of field" as how far away from the surface of the glass the scanner will stay in focus. Here's an example of a scan from an Epson V330 photo scanner: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin Posted January 20, 2015 Share #25 Posted January 20, 2015 Gary's booth is a basic as mine and works awesome. I think my bulbs are 75W and I was just using my phone to take these photos. Gary used a better device which results in a better image. The stand is a TV dinner table, dual purpose furniture. Total investment is under $50.....The princess castle adds a touch a flare, I have to share space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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