Are you sure about the patches? No current unit assignment patch is worn on the dress blues now and what used to be the combat patch worn on the right sleeve is now worn as a badge on the right breast pocket as seen here: http://www.flickr.co...ier/4997097540/

Thanks for the info! The more i think about how the guys uniform was 'set up' and how he acted, i begining to wonder if he might have been a 'wannabe' soldier! I belive he had a CIB AND a CBA! (Combat Action badge if that is correct) I would still like to know for future reference where someone would have been to be awarded the above mentioned ribbons. Dates, locations, units, ect.

General Orders No. 10

Headquarters, Department of the Army

Washington, DC, 25 September 2006

 

UNITS CREDITED WITH ASSAULT LANDINGS

 

I—GENERAL.

 

1. In accordance with the provisions of AR 600-8-22, paragraph 7-25, the units listed in section II below were designated by the Senior Army Commander in the theater operations as having participated in a parachute (to include free fall), amphibious, or helicopter assault landing.

 

2. When entering individual credit on the Enlisted Record Brief or Officer Record Brief, this general orders may be cited as authority for such entries for Soldiers who were present for duty as a member of or attached to a unit listed herein and actually participated in a combat parachute jump, free fall combat jump, helicopter assault landing, combat glider landing, or amphibious assault landing at the place and time during the period indicated. A Soldier must actually exit the aircraft or landing craft to receive assault landing credit.

 

3. Under the provisions of AR 600-8-22, paragraph 7-25, the designation of a combat assault landing is determined and approved by the Senior Army Commander in the theater of operations. Eligibility of individuals to wear the bronze arrowhead on the designated campaign medal (Global War On Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Iraqi Campaign Medal, or Afghanistan Campaign Medal) is established by this approval. This approval also authorizes eligible Soldiers to affix a bronze service star to their Parachute Badge or the Military Free Fall Parachute Badge, denoting completion of a combat parachute jump or combat free fall jump.

 

II—LIST. The following units were designated by the Senior Army Commander in the theater of operations as having participated in a parachute (to include freefall), amphibious, or helicopter assault landing.

 

a. Shahi Khowt Valley, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 0211Z-1045Z hours, 2 March 2002 to 3 March 2002.

 

31st Infantry, 4th Battalion, Company C

87th Infantry, 1st Battalion

101st Airborne Division, 3d Brigade, Headquarters and Headquarters, Detachment

187th Infantry, 1st Battalion, Detachment

187th Infantry, 2d Battalion, Detachment

320th Field Artillery, 3d Battalion, Headquarters and Headquarters Service Battery, Detachment

326th Engineer Battalion, Company C, Detachment

 

b. Helmand Desert, Afghanistan (Parachute), 1845Z-0014Z hours, 19 October 2001 to 20 October 2001.

 

75th Ranger Regiment, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Detachment

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Detachment

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Company A, Detachment

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Company C, Detachment

c. In the vicinity of Alimarden Kan-E-Bagat, Afghanistan (Parachute), 1800Z-2334Z hours, inclusive, 13 November 2001.

 

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Company B, Detachment

d. Near Chahar Borjak, Nimruz Province, Afghanistan (Parachute), 1345Z-1445Z hours, inclusive, 25 February 2003.

 

75th Ranger Regiment, 2d Battalion, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Detachment

75th Ranger Regiment, 2d Battalion, Company A, Detachment

75th Ranger Regiment, 2d Battalion, Company C, Detachment

504th Infantry, 3d Battalion, Company B, Detachment

e. Bazaraka Molakhel, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2100Z to 2130Z hours, inclusive,19 October 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 555, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

f. Dehi, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 1955Z to 2025Z, inclusive, 19 October 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 595, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

g. Dasht-e-Qal’eh, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2000Z to 2030Z, inclusive, 26 October 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 585, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

h. Yakawolong (~ 50 kms south of M-e-S), Afghanistan (Helicopter), 1930Z to 2000Z, inclusive, 26 October 2001.

 

Operational Detachment C 51, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

i. Yakawolong, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2100Z to 2130Z, inclusive, 2 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 534, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

j. Dehi, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2130Z to 2200Z, inclusive, 2 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment C 53, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

k. Naylowr, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2030Z to 2100Z, inclusive, 3 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 553, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

l. Dasht-e-Qal’eh, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2210Z to 2240Z, inclusive, 8 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 586, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

m. Bagram, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2350Z to 0020Z, inclusive, 8 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 594, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

n. Deh Berenj Qal-eh, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2015Z to 2045Z, inclusive, 11 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 554, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

o. Tarin Kowt, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2120Z to 2150Z, inclusive, 14 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 574, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

p. Bagram, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2015Z to 2045Z, inclusive, 15 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 575, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

q. Bagram, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 1900Z to 1930Z, inclusive, 15 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment B 550, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

r. Shin Narai Valley, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2140Z to 2210Z, inclusive, 19 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 583, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

s. Dowshi, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2015Z to 2045Z, inclusive, 26 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 532, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

t. Tarin Kowt, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2130Z to 2200Z, inclusive, 28 November 2001.

 

Operational Detachment C 52, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

u. Jalalabad, Afghanistan (Helicopter), 2200Z to 2230Z, inclusive, 30 October 2001.

 

Operational Detachment A 572, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces

 

v. Bashur and Sulaymaniyah airfields in Northern Iraq (MC-130), 1200Z hours, 21 March 2003 to 1200Z hours, 23 March 2003.

 

1st Special Forces, 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne), Headquarters and Headquarters Company

1st Special Forces, 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 2d Special Forces Battalion

1st Special Forces, 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 3d Special Forces Battalion

352nd Special Operations Squadron (United States Air Force)

1st Air Support Operations Squadron (United States Air Force)

13th Air Support Operations Squadron (United States Air Force)

22nd Special Tactics Squadron (United States Air Force)

 

w. Bashur Drop Zone in Northern Iraq (Parachute), 1700Z to 1737Z hours, inclusive, 26 March 2003.

 

1st Special Forces, 10th Special Forces Group, 2d Special Forces Battalion, Detachment

74th Infantry, Detachment

173d Airborne Brigade, Headquarters and Headquarters Company

173d Support Company

250th Medical Detachment

319th Field Artillery, Battery D

501st Support Company

503d Infantry, 2d Battalion

508th Infantry, 1st Battalion

4th Air Support Operations Squadron (United States Air Force)

86th Contingency Response Group (United States Air Force)

 

x. Northwestern Desert region of Iraq, in the vicinity of the town of Al Qaim, near the Syrian boarder (Parachute), 1830Z to 2230Z hours, inclusive, 24 March 2003.

 

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Company C

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Detachment

24th Special Tactics Squadron, Detachment (United States Air Force)

 

y. At H1 airfield in western Iraq, west of the Haditha Dam and the town of Haditha (Parachute), 1835Z to 1200Z hours, 28 and 29 March 2003.

 

27th Engineer Battalion, Detachment

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Detachment

75th Ranger Regiment, 3d Battalion, Company A

24th Special Tactics Squadron, Detachment (United States Air Force)

 

z. Southeastern region of Afghanistan (Free Fall), 1735Z to 1800Z hours, inclusive, 3 July 2004.

 

75th Ranger Regiment, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Regimental Reconnaissance Detachment, Team 3

Here is General Order #10:

Assault landing credits

 

 

a. DAGO 48, 1971, as amended by DAGO 8, 1979 announced award of assault landing credits to participating units in an airborne assault in the vicinity of Katum, Republic of Vietnam, between the hours of 0900 and 0907, inclusive 22 February 1967. The arrowhead is authorized for wear on the Vietnam Service Medal for this assault landing in Vietnam.

(4) Vietnam Counteroffensive, Phase II, 1 July 1966 — 31 May 1967 (Arrowhead authorized only for members of the 173d Airborne Brigade who actually participated in a landing in the vicinity of Katum, RVN, between the hours of 0900-0907, inclusive, on 27 February 1967).

 

 

 

 

b. DAGO 33, 1984, announced award of assault landing credits to participating units in the airborne assault in the vicinity of Point Salinas, Grenada, between the hours of 0635 and 1300, inclusive, 25 October 1983. The arrowhead is authorized for wear on the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for this assault landing in Grenada.

 

Grenada operation, 23 October — 21 November 1983. (Arrowhead authorized only for members of the 1st and 2d Battalion, 75th Rangers who actually participated in a landing onto Fury DZ, Point Salinas Airfield in Grenada, between the hours of 0635-1300, inclusive, on 25 October 1983). (Plus the 2 Heavy Equipment Engineers from the 82nd ABN)

When you see someone decked out like that go up and thank him for his service and ask him about his awards and decorations. I'm sure you will be able to figure out if he is legit or not. You might find out something about where he has been this last several years to have earned all those awards. If he seems legit buy him a drink, if you suspect a fraud.....

Got this on a vet acquired 1st Cav cut down 4-pocket.

 

I have tried doing some searching, but it seems this wasn't authorized? Or was it? Would this seem right for 1st Cav?

 

Thanks!

-Brian

 

 

I don't think the arrowhead would be authorized since its a US device and a foreign medal.

 

Perhaps he thought since he was in on the Philippine Invasion that his arrowhead was to go on the Philippine Liberation Medal?

 

It's kind of a neat variation, I haven't ever come across that before.

 

MW

Arrowhead should have been placed on the Asiatic-Pacific.

 

 

 

W

are the stars authorized on it, as they are US devices?

 

He does have the arrowhead on that one too, but on a different bar.. the jacket had a mix of a bunch of ribbon bars (probably ones from throughout his WW2 Army career) that had been all placed haphazardly on the jacket.

 

I believe I have the bar as I want it to be (most correct, but still with a bit of vet "attitude") but there are no stars or arrowhead on the bar with the Philippine Liberation ribbon, and I was wondering if it should have any stars at least even without the arrowhead?

 

This is the jacket:

 

 

 

This is how the bars were on there... I think the CIB really was on the pocket though, as there are old indents/patina from the clutches. This also makes sense because when you place a 2 row ribbon rack on there, if placed "properly" the CIB would be nearly completely hidden by the collar, and I don't think this guy played by the regs 100%.

 

 

Thanks for your opinions and help! It's an interesting one for sure.

-Brian

I have seen numerous uniforms and ribbons that had the arrowhead affixed to the Philippine Liberation ribbon. My assumption is that since the campaign stars were authorized, that those who earned invasion arrowhead devices for the assault on the Various Philippine islands felt that the arrowhead must have been authorized too. As it seems to have been such a common occurrence, I doubt that anyone in the chain of command had a heartburn with it.

 

Allan

Allan,

Thanks for the input. Now my dilemma is do I put these on the ribbon bar or leave it plain? Do I put all on, just the stars, or nothing at all? I just want to represent this soldier the best I can.

 

Here is a bad photo from this morning as it as still pretty dark before I went to work. This shows how I have the bars currently set up. Any comments and opinions are appreciated.

 

Thanks,

- Brian

 

Brian

Few suggestions

Rotate each bar 180 degrees, the order of precedence is:

Good conduct medal

American campaign (center stripe should be blue/white/red)

Asiatic campaign (same as above)

WW II Victory

Philippine liberation

The thing is that it's not possible to get them in the correct order of precedence with how the ribbons are on the bars, and I don't want to risk disassembling the bar to try to correct it.

I feel comfortable with the way it is now... even though the GCM is not in the correct spot. I wonder if he put the ribbons on in the order in which they were received, which would make sense for this position.

 

I did make a boo-boo on the lower bar and I will turn it over 180 degrees. (ww2 victory/PL ribbon)

 

-Brian

You are correct as well, probably mounted them as he got them...i think if you rotated the top bar 180 then the GCM will be in position an the campaigns look to be in the order he mounted them....i think that is more realistic than trying to make them perfect because it's not likely they were ever perfect to begin with ....

I would suggest that the ribbons that I have circled on your photo are the ones that the veteran most likely wore. I realize the ribbons are in the wrong order, but I would bet that this is the way that he wore them.

 

I would suggest flipping the bars so that you are looking at a top bar of Good Conduct and WWII Victory and the bottom bar being American Campaign, PTO and Philippine Liberation. I would recommend that you not add stars or devices to the ribbons. It is your uniform, and you may do what you like, but as a collector, I would be comfortable with the originality of what I described above.

 

Allan

took your advice and did exactly that.

it does look correct that way.

 

Thanks for your input.

-Brian

I would suggest that the ribbons that I have circled on your photo are the ones that the veteran most likely wore. I realize the ribbons are in the wrong order, but I would bet that this is the way that he wore them.

 

I would suggest flipping the bars so that you are looking at a top bar of Good Conduct and WWII Victory and the bottom bar being American Campaign, PTO and Philippine Liberation. I would recommend that you not add stars or devices to the ribbons. It is your uniform, and you may do what you like, but as a collector, I would be comfortable with the originality of what I described above.

 

Allan

 

I agree with Allan!

 

Great Ike jacket!

 

Ricardo.

This is what a D-day vet wrote about himself.

 

"1ST INFANTRY DIVISION. ON OMAHA BEACH ON JUNE 6, 1944. SERVED WITH COMPANY E, 18TH REGIMENT. RECEIVED THE BRONZE STAR, PURPLE HEART, COMBAT INFANTRYMAN BADGE, WWII VICTORY MEDAL, AMERICAN CAMPAIGN MEDAL, EUROPEAN-AFRICAN-MIDDLE EASTERN CAMPAIGN RIBBON WITH 2 STARS AND THE FRENCH LIBERATION AWARD JULY 15, 2000."

 

As you can see "EAME with 2 stars", I have also seen his medals and both medal and ribbon has 2 stars, no arrow. Why?

Didn´t Normandy credit for an arrow automatically or did he make a mistake when he put on a star instead of a arrow?

 

It should, but it wouldn't be the first time something fell through the cracks. I read on the discharge itself of a local man whose uniform I own that he entered the African theater on THE DAY of the landings in North Africa (November 8th), and he was in Co. A, 168th Infantry Regiment, who landed on THAT DAY to take Algiers. He was also due an American Campaign Ribbon (based on his time in the states, he came home and trained guys at a camp), but never got that either. I added them to the ribbons I assembled to display his uniform, but technically, they aren't on his papers. I'll be the first to admit that, but based on the information I've seen, I fell 100% sure he should have had it. Could be just one of those things.

Maybe he doesn't perceive the arrowhead as worth mentioning...he might not feel the device is needed...might not be aware he rates it...options are endless

 

I've known veterans who declined to wear awards or devices they didn't agree with, and I've known plenty who aren't aware of what they actually rate. To this day the award system can be tricky to navigate, with awards being awarded months and years after the action, they lose track of it or don't bother checking updates, especially once they leave the unit or get out of the military. This is especially true with unit awards.

 

I was told years ago that I may rate a unit award or 2 for Iraq, but our unit was short lived and it's difficult to tell what they titled it as on update notices, and it's been deactivated so long that most clerks have never heard of it. I looked briefly once, couldn't figure it out, and said the hell with it and gave up. I don't particularly care about my ribbons, IMO a piece of cloth doesn't make me any better at my job.

 

Kind of ironic, since I collect USMC stuff to include the occasional medal group

At the end of the war with millions being processed out of service, records were often prepared with omissions and errors. Also, the awarding of arrowheads and campaign stars to units (and service medals to soldiers) was ongoing. Even today General Orders crediting stars, arrowheads and making unit awards to WW2 units are still being published. Generally a soldier did not stand up as he was getting out of the Army and stop the process to say he thinks maybe he was eligible for something. He (or she) wanted out. It was true for the Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War and for today's seemingly continuous War (I'll just call it "war" since I have lost sight of the purpose or goal, if there is one).

and for today's seemingly continuous War (I'll just call it "war" since I have lost sight of the purpose or goal, if there is one).

Ended a few days ago for the USMC

I found this info on this forum "The bronze arrowhead was first authorized 23 December 1944, and the bronze campaign stars were available before then". http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176175-question-about-the-european-african-middle-eastern-campaign-medal/, post 3.

 

Late -44 was this vet. wounded and later transfered to SHAEF so it´s possible that he´s not aware of that he actually is qualifyed for a arrowhead..

 

I have also searched a lot but i don´t get this, do you get a star for Normandy + arrow for D-day or do the arrow replace the star?

And, didn´t service in SHAEF credit for campaign stars?

Arrowhead for initial assault or parachute jump. Campaigns are date specific.Starting and ending dates for each.You can have the star but unless he landed on d-day he would not be awarded the arrowhead. The campaign dates for eligibility are out there,Just jam the keyboard.

Good luck

Bob

It's all about who is running the type writer (computer) and who is sitting in the chair on the last week in the Army. Lot's of guys don't care.....lot's of guys did care but they didn't know what to ask about and ran into lousy admin guys just trying to shove people through. It still happens to this day. A Soldier came up to me showing they had completed his DD-214 for discharge (I was his CO)....I looked it over and said "Didn't you get a commendation medal for Afghaistan?" "Yes, sir" "well it's not on here" "Well, Im leaving tomorrow and I could care less - and I don't want to delay for anything" "Ok".