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WWI Robbins large batwing residue on reverse?

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#1

I've noticed this a couple times so far and I think on non maker marked Robbins wings. At first I thought it was sticker glue, but Chris suggested it could be solder from a metal tag? Anyone seen this before. I've seen it twice that I can come up with. Could it be from some retailer marking that a store would put on a non maker marked wing to sell as their own? Curious if anyone has seen one with the original sticker or tag on the back? Any thought appreciated. (images from internet) I have not had either in hand, so can't say for myself.

 

Gerard

 

 

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#2

Have not seen one with a tag. Just the 'bump'. Could also be a function of the original forcer and the way it strikes the metal.

#3

Or another possible idea, a bit of solder to hold the wing in place while finishing was taking place.

#4

In a previous thread, Russ posted a composite picture of 4 Robbins-marked and unmarked wings. None of them has that "smudgy" thing on the back.


My opinion is that the addition of a small "plaque" with a maker's name is, more often than not, an artifact of the faker trying to fool collectors.  Not that it means anything, but I have never really seen a WWI wing with one of those plaques that I thought was legit, in any case (e.g., the Le Breve Paris fakes).

 

I have NEVER seen a Robbins plaque on any wing, much less a WWI pilot wing.

 

Other than blaming Gremlins, I have no idea what or why those smudges are.

 

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#5

Here's a similar wing to Gerard's with the mysterious smudgy thing on the back. I always assumed this was done to cover up the sterling mark. Maybe they were made in silver?

 

Bob

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#6

Good theory

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#7

Another one. Why would they try and get rid of the "Sterling" marking? This one has the "G" still showing.

 

 

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#8

Theory:  Robbins accidentally used coin silver for a small batch?  

 

My initial thinking upon seeing these was the purpose was to obliterate a Robbins hallmark (Robbins wholesaling their product to other retailers), but agree that this appears to have been an obliteration of the sterling mark.

 

Clearly a genuine badge.  Quite mysterious!

 

Warm regards.

 

Chris

#9

Here is another Robbins WW1 era wing on eBay, this one has the complete “Sterling” stamp in the blob location.

 

 

 

 https://ebay.io/m/78E4oe

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#10
3 hours ago, Bull Moose said:

Here is another Robbins WW1 era wing on eBay, this one has the complete “Sterling” stamp in the blob location.

 https://ebay.io/m/78E4oe

Nice to find one with both original spinners.

 

Warm regards.

 

Chris

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#11

Remi, thanks, will let you know when they land. Do you collect WWI & WWII wings or just WWI? Wondering how many WWI you have and how long you've been collecting.

 

Cheers!

 

Gerard

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#12

OK, so final word on this is, the ones with a "smear" on the back, it's actually just the word "STERLING" that has been silver soldered over. Not sure why? As Chris said, maybe done in Coin Silver? A mystery.  I have put 2 side by side, one with the full wording and one with it obliterated and they are identical.

 

 

#13

I think the answer would require a device that measures metal content. I suspect that it is not sterling, therefore the obliteration of the mark. Could be coin, another type of alloy, etc.

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