I have no idea of it’s worth with the recent M1 Carbine craze. The barrel date is 1-43,  I searched CMP auction prices- prices all over the place. I didn’t buy the story, but the gun….the “ story”, a GI bring back handed down to his son, then step grandson, then to a relative who had no interest in it what so ever. 

 

Barrel marked: “ INLAND MFG. DIV

                               GENERAL MOTORS

                               1-43 “

 

Four 20 round mags, one 30 round mag. 
20 rd mags:

-IU in a circle

- AI

- U-S’G’

 

30 rd mag:

- SEY

 

All thoughts and information appreciated.

 

Note: My father’s service records show he qualified on an M1 Carbine, not a Garand. He served in the 86th Infantry Div, CIB, Purple Heart, Bronze Star.

Looks promising. More pics would help and what's on the underside of the wrist grip?

6 minutes ago, iron bender said:

Looks promising. More pics would help and what's on the underside of the wrist grip?

The bottom of the pistol grip has and aluminum disc . Two older slot head screws hold it on. The inscription is illegible, ( to me). The lettering and numbers are a series of hand punched dots ( under 30X loupe).

The alum disk is prob a rack number but is not original. High wood, eye cut stock is proper for a 43 Inland,  more pics of the inside parts and good close up around the base of the rear sight.  If no import mark, $1800 to $2000+ depending on what is inside.  Nice pic up.   Those are 15 round mags. 

Thanks for the information. 

Not sure what sort of info you're looking for.   Overall visually looks nice enough.  Close up photos of the details will help us see whether the parts are likely to be the same as it left the factory with, whether its been 'restored', etc.  Even bring backs could have parts swapped around depending on circumstances.

 

If you're going to use it, IMO the 1944 edition of the Field Manual is the best informationwise.  The earlier version is available as a free download on the internet from various place.  The 1944 FM 23-7 can be bought used or in an enlarged version from Nicholous Associates.

 

Reisch's book is a popular and decent reference for parts and markings.  There's a review and critique on the Carbine Collectors forum.

If you want to dive in deep, that's also probably the best place to go.

The club's webpages have a lot of info on manufactures and parts.  Click on Parts and it will take you to a menu.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/

 

On the forum, look through the Newsworthy section and about page 5 or 6 there is a story about  an Inland made about the same time as yours.  Its a good example of a doing a data sheet, plus the very rare case of finding about a soldier that used it.

917601,

When you say that prices are all over the place, do you mean all WW2 era Inland carbines or just the "I" cut, early carbines?  Early, all original, Inland carbines with the "I" cut stocks are extremely hard to find.  Yes, there are a lot of WW2 era Inland carbines out there but if yours is an all original "I" cut Inland, then that is something special.  I am down to two WW2 M1 carbines and one M1A1 carbine.  One of my M1s is an early all original Inland "I" cut carbine.  Because I believe that one day I will sell all my WW2 era firearms I try to follow the prices of pieces that closely resemble mine in condition, originality and serial number range.  One that very closely resembled mine in condition and very close in serial number range sold at Rock Island's Premier Gun auction on September 2021 for $4600.  I have not stopped looking since 2021.  Since 2021 Rock Island has had other Premier Gun auctions, with many an Inland M1 and M1A1, but none with a similar condition early "I" cut.  The point of my story is know what exactly you got and do your own digging.'

CG

I don’t know if Rock Island is the best place to ascertain current prices. It is a good reference point but I think it would be on the higher end of prices as their stuff tends to be higher end. I would definitely look at gunbroker as well.  There are several forums that have trading pages too. 
 

917601, your rifle looks promising. I cut stock, push button mag release, correct barrel band, rear sight, etc. are all correct for the gun. Some more pictures are needed though. With the correct internals, the value goes up. Inlands are the most abundant but the early ones tend to be more desirable. I’m with Dirt Detective on the price. $1800-2000 is a good starting point. 

1 hour ago, CGutierr said:

917601,

When you say that prices are all over the place, do you mean all WW2 era Inland carbines or just the "I" cut, early carbines?  Early, all original, Inland carbines with the "I" cut stocks are extremely hard to find.  Yes, there are a lot of WW2 era Inland carbines out there but if yours is an all original "I" cut Inland, then that is something special.  I am down to two WW2 M1 carbines and one M1A1 carbine.  One of my M1s is an early all original Inland "I" cut carbine.  Because I believe that one day I will sell all my WW2 era firearms I try to follow the prices of pieces that closely resemble mine in condition, originality and serial number range.  One that very closely resembled mine in condition and very close in serial number range sold at Rock Island's Premier Gun auction on September 2021 for $4600.  I have not stopped looking since 2021.  Since 2021 Rock Island has had other Premier Gun auctions, with many an Inland M1 and M1A1, but none with a similar condition early "I" cut.  The point of my story is know what exactly you got and do your own digging.'

CG

 

Don't forget, with fees, etc, the consignor ended up with nowhere near $4600 in his pocket. In some cases auction houses may be the way to go, but my experience selling with them has been mixed.

ottodog8,

Yes, I realize that with fees, etc. a consignor would get less than $4600; however, he would get more than somewhere between $1800 - $2000 I guarantee you that.  What is important is that the buyer is paying that much plus for an early, all correct by the book, "I" cut Inland in excellent condition.  I do know about the other auction sites - gunbroker, etc. & I have also looked at those sites also.  I have stated a specific instance (date and place) to back up my claim that a carbine similar to mine sold for quite a bit more than $1800 - $2000.  So if you or DocDog or anyone else can point out where, on any other auction site, (date & site and how much was paid) an early "I" cut Inland carbine, in 100% condition and in excellent condition only sold been $1800 - $2000 I would appreciate it.

CG

5 hours ago, CGutierr said:

ottodog8,

Yes, I realize that with fees, etc. a consignor would get less than $4600; however, he would get more than somewhere between $1800 - $2000 I guarantee you that.  What is important is that the buyer is paying that much plus for an early, all correct by the book, "I" cut Inland in excellent condition.  I do know about the other auction sites - gunbroker, etc. & I have also looked at those sites also.  I have stated a specific instance (date and place) to back up my claim that a carbine similar to mine sold for quite a bit more than $1800 - $2000.  So if you or DocDog or anyone else can point out where, on any other auction site, (date & site and how much was paid) an early "I" cut Inland carbine, in 100% condition and in excellent condition only sold been $1800 - $2000 I would appreciate it.

CG

Nobody knows if that gun is in 100% original condition because he hasn’t posted more pictures to verify if it is. We know at least one modification has been made with the disk on the underside of the pistol grip. I stand by $1800-2000 as a Starting Point. It could be worth a lot more. I hope it is. 

6 hours ago, CGutierr said:

ottodog8,

Yes, I realize that with fees, etc. a consignor would get less than $4600; however, he would get more than somewhere between $1800 - $2000 I guarantee you that.  What is important is that the buyer is paying that much plus for an early, all correct by the book, "I" cut Inland in excellent condition.  I do know about the other auction sites - gunbroker, etc. & I have also looked at those sites also.  I have stated a specific instance (date and place) to back up my claim that a carbine similar to mine sold for quite a bit more than $1800 - $2000.  So if you or DocDog or anyone else can point out where, on any other auction site, (date & site and how much was paid) an early "I" cut Inland carbine, in 100% condition and in excellent condition only sold been $1800 - $2000 I would appreciate it.

CG

You forgot the + after your $1800 - $2000 that was stated.   We need to see pics of the inside and around the rear sight, stock markings and more, does it have a dogleg hammer?? .  18 to 20 is a good starting point until more is known.  I agree with you quality original carbines are going for more.

Hello All,

I guess I should have made myself a bit more clearer.  I am not talking specifically about 917601's carbine.  Yes, if there are a bunch of modifications, then yes the price will diminish.  I am talking about a 100%, as out of the factory, in very good to excellent condition, early "I' cut Inland carbine.  One went for over $4K in 2021 no less.  So my challenge to all those who say such a piece should only go for around $1800-$2000 then prove it.

CG

2 hours ago, CGutierr said:

Hello All,

I guess I should have made myself a bit more clearer.  I am not talking specifically about 917601's carbine.  Yes, if there are a bunch of modifications, then yes the price will diminish.  I am talking about a 100%, as out of the factory, in very good to excellent condition, early "I' cut Inland carbine.  One went for over $4K in 2021 no less.  So my challenge to all those who say such a piece should only go for around $1800-$2000 then prove it.

CG

I hear what you are saying CGutierr, an all original early Inland is much more than $2000 (to me). I believe my all original 1-43 Inland is more than $4000 to get it from me.  BUT remember this thread is about what THIS Carbine in post #1 is worth.  Here is my 43 that im talking about.  We need to see more pics 917601's carbine to go higher in price now.

 

Every gun and transaction is a "one off", so what happened yesterday is not really an indication of what a "similar" gun will bring tomorrow.   On something low dollar such as a carbine, RIA will net you 25-30% less than hammer with all the fees as a consignor,  shipping, etc., and close to 50% less than the buyers overall net cost with sales tax with some variables.  2021-2022 was the apex of values for many firearms.    Net net with a handful of guns below 20K total, people often do better on the trader or other forums than consigning with a large auction house, and in the case where no one bids or bids low on your gun below reserve, your gun is not held hostage by the auction house.   This happens, even at RIA...not everything sells, and not every gun ends up paid for.....probably shocking to hear for many?

 

From the photo provided (lacking more info) I'd put the value somewhere in the 900-1200 range just based on condition in the photo.   The GI bring back story is dubious at best, so no value there at all.  Real paperwork adds value, stories add amusement only. 

 

 

Thank you all for your inputs. I am familiar with auction houses and fees. I will post internal pictures when I have time to do a proper, dedicated dis-assembly. At this time, I plan to hand it down to my son, who is currently a 17 year old teen. Thank you all.

One thing about "all original" when talking about WWII carbines is that the ten factories making the carbines shared parts during production years.  My Standard Products carbine, from a company that  made a reported only 4% of the total carbine war production, has parts that are marked with Inland and Underwood parts.  Is it all "original"?  Who knows?  

6 hours ago, 917601 said:

Thank you all for your inputs. I am familiar with auction houses and fees. I will post internal pictures when I have time to do a proper, dedicated dis-assembly. At this time, I plan to hand it down to my son, who is currently a 17 year old teen. Thank you all.

That’s the best place for them anyway. 

On 4/27/2024 at 8:41 AM, CGutierr said:

917601,

When you say that prices are all over the place, do you mean all WW2 era Inland carbines or just the "I" cut, early carbines?  Early, all original, Inland carbines with the "I" cut stocks are extremely hard to find.  Yes, there are a lot of WW2 era Inland carbines out there but if yours is an all original "I" cut Inland, then that is something special.  I am down to two WW2 M1 carbines and one M1A1 carbine.  One of my M1s is an early all original Inland "I" cut carbine.  Because I believe that one day I will sell all my WW2 era firearms I try to follow the prices of pieces that closely resemble mine in condition, originality and serial number range.  One that very closely resembled mine in condition and very close in serial number range sold at Rock Island's Premier Gun auction on September 2021 for $4600.  I have not stopped looking since 2021.  Since 2021 Rock Island has had other Premier Gun auctions, with many an Inland M1 and M1A1, but none with a similar condition early "I" cut.  The point of my story is know what exactly you got and do your own digging.'

CG

 

I can never wrap my head around auction prices and why people use them for current market values. I will see items sit at shows unsold for the same "values" or even less. Where are the buyers?  People who go to shows all look on line and at a show if the price is the same or lower they dont buy it. Many make very low offers same with the dealers buying. Also people at shows tend to  have a bit of room in an item.

Recent show I was at there were a lot of 1911s and 1911a1s.  A guy walked in with a 1914 1911 and it was a beauty. He wanted 3 grand. Not sure if he was "firm" on price but later asked him if he sold it. He had two 45s and he said he didn't sell it after looking at the prices on tables. I replied prices can be subjective and for example there is a WW2 Cotl here at the show and I have seen it for the last 5-6 years. The seller has 2700 on it. I hadn't looked to see if it was 100% correct but it did look like it had a refinish  at some point in its life. The parkerizing  just looked to good. I mentioned that this isnt the only show the seller does and each year he ups the price  a few hundred dollars and its sits unsold and I hear him tell others this is what these sell for at Rock Island or Gun Broker. My question is why isnt it sold then? Why dont these sellers put it up for auction instead of dragging it from show to show like a dead horse. Im guessing next year this pistol will be 3200-3500 if he follows his trend. Also no one dealer bought the 1914 and the owner didnt say if he had any serious offers for 3k. 

Also with Rock Island or any other auction there are fees  both hidden and other wise. Some of these auctions can take up to 40% of the "sold" price.  I have heard a lot of stories from people I know personally and were very disappointed after an auction.  Some thought their items were going to be in the premiere  auction but ended up in the regional sales. Some saw a lower price than expected only to see the pistol(s) ran again 3 months later and bring higher prices for the same guns they sold. Seems to be some smoke and mirrors at these auctions. I really would like to meet these people who are buying at auctions, paying the fees and shipping costs as they sure are not at the shows attend and could avoid the buyers premium and other fees.

Old forum topic with a few early carbines 

 

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/349433-your-early-m1-carbines/

another forum topic with a I cut stock carbine. 

 

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/207351-inland-5-digit-m1-carbine/#comment-1625748

Here are a couple Inlands I have. One is a 5-digit 1942-barrel date.  If the 42 date is a $4600  carbine I will take a check.... 😊

 

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/185970-latest-m1-carbine/

917601,

I see commercial carbines on GB sell for up to $1K, Stripped original USGI barreled receivers depending on the maker for about the same amount.... More for rarer makers. Import marked / rebuilt mixers selling for $1,250+ and just regular USGI rebuilt carbines for $1,650.00+. Area matters or it sure seems to. I'd think if your carbine has no surprises inside a good starting range would be $2200 - $2400. You mention having 4-15 round mags, one you didn't give the markings on. The 3 common mags will sell for about $35 each and the U S'G' possibly as high as $75. The SEY 30 rd splitback mag are  WWII USGI and sought after, so they normally pull a premium near $100+ depending on condition/finish.

Question for you is what type of case are they laying on? Is that a M1 Garand Griswold Parachutist M1950 jump case? If so and in good condition it's worth ~ $225.00. I don't think it is (from seeing the hardware) but if it's the earlier WWII Griswold it will have the number 8300- 44 2650 and worth about $350.00 depending on condition.

Lastly if your Sling is a original to replace it can cost over $100..... see if it might be ink letter stamped between the snap and C Tip where it wraps the swivel, Also see if your oiler has letter markings on the bottom end, you might get lucky and have a early I-I But IS works too. Good Luck to you.

 

Charlie-Painter777