Hello all. Wanted some help with this bayonet. Is this a Remington model 1913 made in January of 1917? Sent over to be used by the British in World War 1? What rifle is this for?

Moderators, although this is American made, if you feel not appropriate for discussion, please freeze or remove the thread. Thanks.

 

 

Kilgarvan:

 

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Charlie

Thanks Charlie! I'll give it a try

Sorry....can't figure out how to post pics, moderators feel free to remove until I can figure it out....I can't attach the pics I took with my iPad....they are too big

Maybe this link will help.

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/164161-how-iphone-users-can-post-pics-with-computer-acess/

It appears to be a Pattern 1913 bayonet made by Remington in January 1917.

 

It was made on British contract for the Pattern 1914 rifle. It will also fit the US Model 1917 rifle (which is a Pattern 1914 remodeled and rechambered for the .30-06 cartridge).

 

Some of these were used on the Model 1917 rifles, but they normally had the British proof marks stamped out and had US stamped on the right ricasso.

 

I presume you know the British proof mark on the right ricasso, but if not, it reads from the top Broad Arrow (British Property mark), over the Crown (inspection mark) over the Inspector number over A for America.

 

Hello,

 

I have added your images directly to the post. Just as a note they were small enough to upload without further need of resizing.

 

The bayonet is a Pattern 13 for the Pattern 14 .303 rifle. The rifles were manufactured in the United States under contract from the British government by Winchester, Remington, and Eddystone. The same three manufacturers later supplied M1917 .30-06 derivatives of the Pattern 14 from August 1917 through 1919 for the US government. Now on to the bayonet. Your bayonet was manufactured by Remington, I believe Winchester may have also supplied Pattern 14 bayonets but don't quote me on that. Eddystone works did not manufacture bayonets for either the Pattern 13 or M1917 rifles. The scabbard would have have consisted of a leather body with steel end and throat fittings. Attachment of the scabbard was made with a canvas or leather frog. When the US M1917 bayonet was adopted two different belt hangers were introduced to make the scabbard compatible with US equipment.

 

I won't go into too much detail since it could easily get off-topic. As it stands this is related to the US mostly because it served as the basis of the M1917. Remington (along with many other companies) were contracted in 1915-1916 to provide arms and equipment to supplement their own production. Remington also manufactured British Pattern 1907 bayonets for the SMLE rifle (a model that was issued to several US units for training in France in 1918) from 1915-1916. All of this was purchased strictly under contract by the UK and lend-lease was still 20 years and another war away.

 

As Gary says, the bayonets that were taken over by the US (typically spring 1917 dates) will have the British markings crossed out and US markings added.

 

RC

When I got my '17, the British marked bayonets were a cheaper alternative, but I recently upgraded to a very nice American marked bayonet, and was able to offset the cost by selling the old British model at quite a profit. Seems they have come up a touch.

When I got my '17, the British marked bayonets were a cheaper alternative, but I recently upgraded to a very nice American marked bayonet, and was able to offset the cost by selling the old British model at quite a profit. Seems they have come up a touch.

 

I believe the combined M1917 production exceeded the P13 bayonet production.

 

RC

Thanks for the help lads

Here is the example of US used of 1913 bayonet with the British proof marks stamped out. This one was made by Remington in June 1917.

 

 

So, were the British marks crossed out when that bayonet was rearsenaled? Or before issue in WWI? That blade looks refinished to me...

The marks were crossed out when the bayonet was taken into US service in 1917. Does appear to be refinished, which was very common after WW1 when they were put into US storage and again in WW2 when they were issued with the "trench" shotguns and clear into Vietnam where they continued to be issued with the shotguns. This bayonet could have served from 1917 until well into the 1970s - the local National Guard unit had a few shotguns with these bayonets until the mid-1970s and possibly longer as my armorer friend left the Guard in 1976 and I don't know when the shotguns and bayonets finally were turned in.

The blades, as originally finished, were two-toned at the hilt, right?

Yes, the blades were originally sandblasted and the hilts were blued.

 

For more, see: http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/bayo_points_10.htm