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Good evening,

 

The only guy listed with Company A, 4th Engineers, whose initials J. E. R. match, is Private Joseph E. Ryan. He lived in Dundee, Oregon. Although I can't find any details about him being WIA, I think you have Joseph's uniform (with a great variation of the Ivy BTW!!)

 

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Unfortunately not much info on this one, engineers A coy brass. 1 wound chevron, 2 overseas service chevrons, discharge chevron, marksman badge and victory ribbon with 4 battle stars. Marked inside to J.E.R CO A.

 

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mikes militaria

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Better late than never, A few more

 

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I'm interested in opinions on this one and all of them for that matter, Mike

 

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My contribution - 40th Div. The one on the right is on black wool, not blue, not navy blue. I like the swirl pattern in the center of the sunburst.

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Afrikasandman

Loving these ww1 3ID patches and ambulance corps patches. I’ll post up mine in a couple of weeks when I get it all unpacked.

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Here’s my example of a 369th bullion I recently purchased. The patch stitching does not pierce the inner lining and is in near mint condition.
 

The tunic was purchased in the 1960s and was kept in a container ever since. Currently doing more research but it sports a “Browning King & Co.” tailors tag which from my research was located in New York City.

 

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2 hours ago, tredhed2 said:

There weren't any bullion 34ths because you got 'em all

 

Hell of a collection of them, too 

 

D, Thanks!

 

I know of a few more out there, didn't get to them in time or was runner up

 

I apparently can't count, only six pages on this thread....

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The last example I posted could be classified as a post-WWI piece based on this photo I obtained a few years back.  The patch I posted still on the uniform is NOT the same uniform as the one in this photo. 
 

1920 dated studio shot of an unnamed 34th soldier taken in Lordsburg, NM, just west of Deming, NM where Camp Cody was located.

 

Without a doubt in my mind it’s the same style of bullion patch in the photo as the example I have (another, better image of it). 

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On 2/10/2022 at 12:39 AM, ASMIC2971 said:

The last example I posted could be classified as a post-WWI piece based on this photo I obtained a few years back.  The patch I posted still on the uniform is NOT the same uniform as the one in this photo. 
 

1920 dated studio shot of an unnamed 34th soldier taken in Lordsburg, NM, just west of Deming, NM where Camp Cody was located.

 

Without a doubt in my mind it’s the same style of bullion patch in the photo as the example I have (another, better image of it). 

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Wow a New Mexico vet! I lived there for many years and my Mother’s family is originally from the area. Beautiful patch!

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For those interested I took better photos of my bullion patched and named 369th Infantry tunic.

 

Attached is a comparison shot between my example, on the right, and the other uniform I compared mine to when purchasing it. Both ironically are named to the same man, 1st Lt. Otto Arnston of F company, but you can clearly see that the patches differ slightly in details. My example has a larger black fabric piece and a differently shaped head whereas the other example has slightly smaller black fabric and again the head is different. Other than that the stitching is identical!

 

While doing research on 1st Lt. Otto I managed to find a handful of photos of this exact patch, the earliest being February of 1919. In that photo is Colonel William Hayward, Commanding Officer of the 369th, immediately after arriving in New York City from France. He sports the same “hollowed” out snake patch on his officer’s coat. Unless someone knows more about this, I think it might be safe to say that this bullion variation of the 369th snake patch was made for soldiers of the regiment somewhere in Europe or en route back to the United States.  Where exactly I am not sure, but the fact that there is photographic evidence of it being worn so early in the units return from France would suggest such a thing. 

 

My uniform’s patch does not pierce the fabric of the inner lining. Again I am not sure who exactly made the patch but I imagine to do that the patch would have been placed on before the lining was sewn in. I cannot speak for the other uniform of Lt. Otto though and how that patch is attached to the uniform.

 

In the video attached, the shot of Colonel Hayward can be found at around 04:05

 

 

Please enjoy the patch!

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On 3/26/2022 at 3:39 PM, UnteroffizierFSAR9 said:

For those interested I took better photos of my bullion patched and named 369th Infantry tunic.

 

Attached is a comparison shot between my example, on the right, and the other uniform I compared mine to when purchasing it. Both ironically are named to the same man, 1st Lt. Otto Arnston of F company, but you can clearly see that the patches differ slightly in details. My example has a larger black fabric piece and a differently shaped head whereas the other example has slightly smaller black fabric and again the head is different. Other than that the stitching is identical!

 

While doing research on 1st Lt. Otto I managed to find a handful of photos of this exact patch, the earliest being February of 1919. In that photo is Colonel William Hayward, Commanding Officer of the 369th, immediately after arriving in New York City from France. He sports the same “hollowed” out snake patch on his officer’s coat. Unless someone knows more about this, I think it might be safe to say that this bullion variation of the 369th snake patch was made for soldiers of the regiment somewhere in Europe or en route back to the United States.  Where exactly I am not sure, but the fact that there is photographic evidence of it being worn so early in the units return from France would suggest such a thing. 

 

My uniform’s patch does not pierce the fabric of the inner lining. Again I am not sure who exactly made the patch but I imagine to do that the patch would have been placed on before the lining was sewn in. I cannot speak for the other uniform of Lt. Otto though and how that patch is attached to the uniform.

 

In the video attached, the shot of Colonel Hayward can be found at around 04:05

 

 

Please enjoy the patch!

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Hello again all, just wanted to share another really good photo of this patch being worn by both Hayward and another 369th officer, presumably the same day as my aforementioned comment.

 

Attached is another comparison shot between the patch in the photo and the example in my collection at the same angle. It’s interesting that the patch appears to have been thin even when it was still new!


Hopefully this detail assists with IDing originals in the future!

 

 

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4 hours ago, 268th C.A. said:

Great photo, I've never seen ribbons worn on an over coat.... interesting

Super nice patch...


Thanks and yes that’s a detail I have not noticed in WW1 photos until I saw these shots of Colonel Hayward. Seen plenty of the “dumbbell” style medals in photos though.
 

Here’s a shot of the chest awards on my uniform. The loops are original to the uniform and are sewn all the way through the lining, the medals and bars I had to find separately. This Hellfighter in particular earned two Purple Hearts and the Croix De Guerre with palm. I couldn’t find another French award in his files so I placed a 1920 French commemorative medal in the second slot, which was automatically awarded to all French and foreign troops who served in French command from 1914-18.

 

Makes me wonder if there were ribbons not medals in these slots!

 

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