rustywings Posted February 13, 2011 Share #76 Posted February 13, 2011 Back of the "NANCO - STERLING" sub badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 13, 2011 Share #77 Posted February 13, 2011 Here's a WWII era "VANGUARD N.Y." produced submarine badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 13, 2011 Share #78 Posted February 13, 2011 Back of the "VANGUARD" badge. Both the hallmark and sterling mark are raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted February 13, 2011 Share #79 Posted February 13, 2011 Hi, What's your thoughts on this meyer full size sub badge. It has the maker shield along with N.S. MEYER Inc. NEW YORK along with 1/20 SIL FLD . The color of the badge is gold and you can see a couple spots were the finish worn off and reveals the silver. Are these ww2 era or post war? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 14, 2011 Share #80 Posted February 14, 2011 Hi, What's your thoughts on this meyer full size sub badge. It has the maker shield along with N.S. MEYER Inc. NEW YORK along with 1/20 SIL FLD . The color of the badge is gold and you can see a couple spots were the finish worn off and reveals the silver. Are these ww2 era or post war? Jason Hello Jason, With that "1/20 SIL FLD" stamp on the reverse, I believe your Meyer hallmarked sub badge is post-war (1960's) produced. A nice crisp example none-the-less. Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 14, 2011 Share #81 Posted February 14, 2011 Here's a comparison shot of the NANCO hallmarked badge above the VANGUARD example. Two different patterns...especially in the design of the scales. (I didn't think Dolphins had scales!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 14, 2011 Share #82 Posted February 14, 2011 Comparison shot of the reverse. Solid-back versus hollow-back design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh B. Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share #83 Posted February 14, 2011 They do have scales Russ! That brings up a great point- these were not modeled after the mammal called the dolphin, but instead the dolphin fish, AKA dorado or mahi mahi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted February 14, 2011 Share #84 Posted February 14, 2011 Hello Jason,With that "1/20 SIL FLD" stamp on the reverse, I believe your Meyer hallmarked sub badge is post-war (1960's) produced. A nice crisp example none-the-less. Russ Thanks Russ, I've never seen that mark for SIL. before. I got them cheap enough so I took a chance. Thanks again, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 14, 2011 Share #85 Posted February 14, 2011 I'm fairly certain this is a WWII era sub badge, but I don't know who made it. It's similar to the Vanguard hallmarked badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 14, 2011 Share #86 Posted February 14, 2011 Reverse of the badge. Only marked "STERLING." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 14, 2011 Share #87 Posted February 14, 2011 A comparison shot with the Vanguard produced badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 14, 2011 Share #88 Posted February 14, 2011 Reverse comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walk2892 Posted February 15, 2011 Share #89 Posted February 15, 2011 Here is a meyers pinback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 16, 2011 Share #90 Posted February 16, 2011 This sub badge closely resembles a badge Josh illustrated for us in Post #7 and Post #8 of this thread. The fine detail and open "C" style catch is indicative of an early war, or possibly pre-war badge. The front highlights are beautifully burnished and the waves are very three-dimensional. My photo doesn't properly portray the front of this badge. Now the back of the badge is a different story. The back is rather rough and crude. This is a die-struck piece, even though the back gives it the appearance of being cast. Any thoughts, or comparison examples out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted February 16, 2011 Share #91 Posted February 16, 2011 The back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh B. Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share #92 Posted February 16, 2011 Thanks for posting Russ! This is undoubtedly from the same maker as the three I posted earlier. The backs of these range from neatly done to awful! The gold wash lines one the reverse are characteristic, the 'C' catch is identical, but here's what seals the deal for me on this pattern: look closely at the scales on the dolphins- see the fine lines in each? This maker is one of the only that I've come across that took the trouble to detail each scale- this is true in my sterling example from them as well. I'd really love to know who made these! They are really high quality as far as the strike goes- so much depth. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuinBruin Posted February 19, 2011 Share #93 Posted February 19, 2011 This sub badge closely resembles a badge Josh illustrated for us in Post #7 and Post #8 of this thread. The fine detail and open "C" style catch is indicative of an early war, or possibly pre-war badge. The front highlights are beautifully burnished and the waves are very three-dimensional. My photo doesn't properly portray the front of this badge. Now the back of the badge is a different story. The back is rather rough and crude. This is a die-struck piece, even though the back gives it the appearance of being cast. Any thoughts, or comparison examples out there? I had one of these badges as well -- rough back, "C" catch, etc. It was a nice piece. One is shown in David Jones's book on WWII dolphins so I would tend to think that they are original to that era. Man, I have to stop browsing this thread, it makes me miss my collection too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted March 13, 2011 Share #94 Posted March 13, 2011 A couple of WWII era H&H 1.5 inch Submarine badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted March 13, 2011 Share #95 Posted March 13, 2011 Back of the 1.5 inch Submarine badges. Note the two different H&H hallmarks. For overseas cap wear and sweatheart handouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh B. Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share #96 Posted March 13, 2011 Back of the 1.5 inch Submarine badges. Note the two different H&H hallmarks. For overseas cap wear and sweatheart handouts. From the original regs, the half-size dolphins (1.5 inch) were meant to be worn above the mini-medals for "mess-dress". They were re-purposed for sweetheart pieces and to decorate belt buckles, lighters, etc as well. I've seen them mentioned for wear on the overseas cap, but have never actually seen a picture of a sub officer in the period wearing them like that. Does anyone have any such images to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted March 18, 2011 Share #97 Posted March 18, 2011 Another LGB hallmarked example. The LGB Submarine badge posted by JLENG in Post #42 is pin-back and marked "1/20th 10K GF." This WWII gilt variation is clutch-back and marked "STERLING." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted March 18, 2011 Share #98 Posted March 18, 2011 The reverse with "LGB - STERLING" hallmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh B. Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share #99 Posted March 19, 2011 Here's one I believe was made slightly after the gold-plated bronze (with "C" catch) examples in posts 7, 8, 91 and 92 by the same producing firm. This is the second example I've seen of this variant with roller catch instead of the simple "C" style, but all other details seem pretty much identical. This badge was sold by Ron Burkey of Flying Tiger Antiques, and this image is being used with his permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh B. Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share #100 Posted March 19, 2011 reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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