Saskatoon Light Infantry Posted August 12, 2010 Share #301 Posted August 12, 2010 Thanks normaninvasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted August 12, 2010 Share #302 Posted August 12, 2010 known phonies, pic's from auction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted October 12, 2010 Share #303 Posted October 12, 2010 snagged this on eBay, the price was right, not some crazy 100-500 insanity, I just wanted an example for a plaque or something somewhere along the line. Silver is a wash, unmarked. officer example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted October 12, 2010 Share #304 Posted October 12, 2010 rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted November 22, 2010 Share #305 Posted November 22, 2010 another bad goonie on eBay... item 120650087035 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamsmilitaryrelics Posted November 22, 2010 Share #306 Posted November 22, 2010 Hi Guy's, I just received a few insignias from a friend overseas, amount them was this EGA, can you tell me what it is?, I couldn't find any marking on the back. Thank for your help william Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted November 23, 2010 Share #307 Posted November 23, 2010 looks like the Ronson emblems we generally see in pinback...haven't seen a screwback or one with an affixed rope before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcaviator Posted November 23, 2010 Share #308 Posted November 23, 2010 I don't like the anchor. Looks like a WW1 Ronson piece that has the original anchor ground off and another (looks like Navy CPO) anchor attached to make it look like an officer device. It does seem that the anchor lies atop the globe edges and soldered, like a seperate piece. The anchor does not appear to be "sunk" into it like most officer pieces. Can you post better pics of the attachment of the anchor where it meets the globe? Right now I'd say it is someone's creative fantasy attempt at an officer's device. These anchors have been seen on notorious fantasy and many fraudulent droopy pieces. My take. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamsmilitaryrelics Posted November 23, 2010 Share #309 Posted November 23, 2010 MORE PHOTOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamsmilitaryrelics Posted November 23, 2010 Share #310 Posted November 23, 2010 photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamsmilitaryrelics Posted November 23, 2010 Share #311 Posted November 23, 2010 Could be theater made..? based on a "Ronson" design, I'm not sharp on Ega's but it look pretty legit to me..., the anchor is made from the same material, bronze or cooper?? so it is most likely for an enlisted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted November 23, 2010 Share #312 Posted November 23, 2010 I don't like the anchor. My take. Mike Mine too. William, here is a comparison shot w/ a known "fantasy piece" created by none other than our own "usnusa" of ebay fame, whom has been selling these fantasy emblems on ebay for the past decade. Has he entered the European market with these... I do not know, or has someone borrowed his anchor to refit onto a Ronson AKA Ronson Art Metal Works emblem? Nonetheless, however they are virtually identical. Also, the anchor stock on USMC emblems has always been squared and seldom seen as being thick in overall dimension and in scale with the other features of the EGA. This tampered anchor stock has never been seen on USMC emblems and as Mike suggests has been seen on US Naval PO and CPO emblems. For this reason alone, I feel the emblem has been "tinkered with" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted November 23, 2010 Share #313 Posted November 23, 2010 does seem that the anchor lies atop the globe edges and soldered, like a seperate piece. The anchor does not appear to be "sunk" into it like most officer pieces. Can you post better pics of the attachment of the anchor where it meets the globe?Mike Agree, the original "fit & finish" of the anchor to the globe is lacking. Take a long look here, with a loop for excessive flashing at the point of assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted November 23, 2010 Share #314 Posted November 23, 2010 William, this makes me feel very uncomfortable, in the two pic's, the dress emblem pic demonstrates how makers have been assembling / affixing the rope to the anchor fluke for decades. As the rope comes about the anchor stock and makes it way directly into the metal clip and both are soldered in place, together. This arrangement / mounting I have seen on hundreds and hundreds of cover emblems. Never a deviation until... On the emblem you have posted - the rope skips around the retaining clip and comes in the backside. This is a very odd arrangement that until today, I have never seen. Very unconventioanal.... very! :think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted November 23, 2010 Share #315 Posted November 23, 2010 Could be theater made..? based on a "Ronson" design, I'm not sharp on Ega's but it look pretty legit to me..., the anchor is made from the same material, bronze or cooper?? so it is most likely for an enlisted? ANYTHING is possible :think: Folks these days in general forget or have no connection to the depression era. Many examples of emblems with repairs and the like, emblems that have been worn and polished to the point of no details, reside in the reference section. And a few which could be classified as being field expediency in nature. The War Department reduced the monthly pay to pre 1908 levels in 32 or 33. My parents were coming of age at that time, the stories I heard from them and the grandparents about basic "survival" were amazing. But, this emblem is one that I would not bet the farm on, being from that era. It does have some conceptual elements of field expediency, yet there exist element in it that are typical of fantasies and reproductions that are meant to fool the eye. These shenanigans have been going on for the last half century, perhaps longer. Nonetheless 2-3 times a year something comes out of no where that will cause us EGA enthusiast's to stop and go :w00t: Is this one of them...? NIMO. However it is a noteworthy conversation piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted November 23, 2010 Share #316 Posted November 23, 2010 Folks, these showed up on ebay today. Do not be fooled, I doubt they are actually "theater – made"… but anything is possible. Look very closely at the rear; note a new "c" clip on one, different color pin's and pin holder mounted to bottom of and the other to the top of the anchor, with pins going in opposite directions. I think someone took a legit pair of Ronson screw backs and converted to pinbacks…? At best these are a conversation piece, with little value now and certainly not the opening bid price... s/f D. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted November 23, 2010 Share #317 Posted November 23, 2010 He also has this - and it too appears to be a fantasy piece: Are these from the guy who Washington DC who makes all the EGA's that don't look like any actual known EGA's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted November 23, 2010 Share #318 Posted November 23, 2010 He also has this - and it too appears to be a fantasy piece: Are these from the guy who Washington DC who makes all the EGA's that don't look like any actual known EGA's? The lead pin pictured above is from WW2 era and referred to by most as a sweetheart type. "USNUSA" is located in Illinois, http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tab=AllFeedback he has been selling ones like the fantasy piece I included above for 10 years or more. However slacked off selling them once the forum became widely known. "NCHS" http://cgi.ebay.com/b0078-USMC-EM-Bronze-E...=item3ca1547897 is located in VA and sells the reproductions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted November 23, 2010 Share #319 Posted November 23, 2010 appears he painted them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcaviator Posted November 24, 2010 Share #320 Posted November 24, 2010 Quote Folks, these showed up on ebay today. Do not be fooled, I doubt they are actually "theater – made"… but anything is possible. Look very closely at the rear; note a new "c" clip on one, different color pin's and pin holder mounted to bottom of and the other to the top of the anchor, with pins going in opposite directions. I think someone took a legit pair of Ronson screw backs and converted to pinbacks…? At best these are a conversation piece, with little value now and certainly not the opening bid price... s/f D Ronson pieces? Maybe, a big maybe. No known evidence suggests that these type insignia were made by Ronson or Art Metal Works. Orgel's reference mentions Ronson as a maker for a similar looking hat device that has the same looking eagle, but again, no evidence exists (as he doesnt cite where he got that info). There are quite a number of information gaffs in that reference. I have looked in Ronson catalogues and have consulted Ronson collectors and no one knows anything or has seen anything. As for these two, the left side piece is an original, possibly collar, possibly sweetheart. The right side is a poor lead looking copy, with a poor attempt at making a pin and catch. Both of these have been poorly painted to make them look like officer's insignia. I believe that matching sets do exist in pinback and screwback. I have seen these (as singles) in gold plate, gold wash, sterling silver, and blackened bronze with a plethora of attachment styles. I have only seen one set of matching bronze and I think two sets of mismatched colors. I do not own a set in my collection. I have about 4 or 5 different singles (all lefts). I speculate the majority of these as sweethearts or possibly made for jewelry as their seems to be a large amount of lefts. I do have one photo of an officer wearing these in the late 1920's. However based off of their cheap appearance and oversized look, and that better looking collar versions were available, I am speculating that they were not popular nor worn to much degree. This collector's opinion...and am still waiting for a "real" set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamsmilitaryrelics Posted November 27, 2010 Share #321 Posted November 27, 2010 I have one like that somewhere... I find it... but, I guess it's not a good one, because of the pin type... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamsmilitaryrelics Posted November 27, 2010 Share #322 Posted November 27, 2010 I find it...but, I guess it's not a good one, because of the pin type... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leatherneck72 Posted November 27, 2010 Share #323 Posted November 27, 2010 Really?? Is there even a question here? The ones currently listed on Ebay are OBVIOUSLY BAD. They are very clearly re-casts off of a known example, the continents are painted gold, and the pins are recently brazed on with the discoloration to the attachment points even visible in the photos. I see they are up to 300 bucks....nice. :thumbdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcaviator Posted November 28, 2010 Share #324 Posted November 28, 2010 I find it...but, I guess it's not a good one, because of the pin type... William, You are totally missing the point.. the one you just posted above is fine..the crude cast one that has been painted by a third grader that is currently at auction as a manipulated " dress officer" set... is bad. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamsmilitaryrelics Posted November 28, 2010 Share #325 Posted November 28, 2010 William,You are totally missing the point.. the one you just posted above is fine..the crude cast one that has been painted by a third grader that is currently at auction as a manipulated " dress officer" set... is bad. Mike mike , I just love it... typical about me, for now on, I'm just gonna post pictures and try to avoid comments... william Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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