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looks like the Ronson emblems we generally see in pinback...haven't seen a screwback or one with an affixed rope before

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I don't like the anchor.

 

Looks like a WW1 Ronson piece that has the original anchor ground off and another (looks like Navy CPO) anchor attached to make it look like an officer device. It does seem that the anchor lies atop the globe edges and soldered, like a seperate piece. The anchor does not appear to be "sunk" into it like most officer pieces. Can you post better pics of the attachment of the anchor where it meets the globe?

 

Right now I'd say it is someone's creative fantasy attempt at an officer's device. These anchors have been seen on notorious fantasy and many fraudulent droopy pieces.

 

My take.

 

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I don't like the anchor.

My take.

Mike

 

Mine too.

 

William, here is a comparison shot w/ a known "fantasy piece" created by none other than our own "usnusa" of ebay fame, whom has been selling these fantasy emblems on ebay for the past decade. Has he entered the European market with these... I do not know, or has someone borrowed his anchor to refit onto a Ronson AKA Ronson Art Metal Works emblem? Nonetheless, however they are virtually identical. Also, the anchor stock on USMC emblems has always been squared and seldom seen as being thick in overall dimension and in scale with the other features of the EGA. This tampered anchor stock has never been seen on USMC emblems and as Mike suggests has been seen on US Naval PO and CPO emblems. For this reason alone, I feel the emblem has been "tinkered with"

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does seem that the anchor lies atop the globe edges and soldered, like a seperate piece. The anchor does not appear to be "sunk" into it like most officer pieces. Can you post better pics of the attachment of the anchor where it meets the globe?

Mike

 

Agree, the original "fit & finish" of the anchor to the globe is lacking. Take a long look here, with a loop for excessive flashing at the point of assembly.

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William, this makes me feel very uncomfortable, in the two pic's, the dress emblem pic demonstrates how makers have been assembling / affixing the rope to the anchor fluke for decades. As the rope comes about the anchor stock and makes it way directly into the metal clip and both are soldered in place, together. This arrangement / mounting I have seen on hundreds and hundreds of cover emblems. Never a deviation until...

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On the emblem you have posted - the rope skips around the retaining clip and comes in the backside. This is a very odd arrangement that until today, I have never seen. Very unconventioanal.... very! :think:

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Could be theater made..? based on a "Ronson" design, I'm not sharp on Ega's but it look pretty legit to me..., the anchor is made from the same material, bronze or cooper?? so it is most likely for an enlisted?

ANYTHING is possible :think: Folks these days in general forget or have no connection to the depression era. Many examples of emblems with repairs and the like, emblems that have been worn and polished to the point of no details, reside in the reference section. And a few which could be classified as being field expediency in nature. The War Department reduced the monthly pay to pre 1908 levels in 32 or 33. My parents were coming of age at that time, the stories I heard from them and the grandparents about basic "survival" were amazing.

 

But, this emblem is one that I would not bet the farm on, being from that era. It does have some conceptual elements of field expediency, yet there exist element in it that are typical of fantasies and reproductions that are meant to fool the eye. These shenanigans have been going on for the last half century, perhaps longer. Nonetheless 2-3 times a year something comes out of no where that will cause us EGA enthusiast's to stop and go :w00t: Is this one of them...? NIMO. However it is a noteworthy conversation piece.


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William, this makes me feel very uncomfortable, in the two pic's, the dress emblem pic demonstrates how makers have been assembling / affixing the rope to the anchor fluke for decades. As the rope comes about the anchor stock and makes it way directly into the metal clip and both are soldered in place, together. This arrangement / mounting I have seen on hundreds and hundreds of cover emblems. Never a deviation until...

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On the emblem you have posted - the rope skips around the retaining clip and comes in the backside. This is a very odd arrangement that until today, I have never seen. Very unconventioanal.... very! :think:

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I read all of the posts about EGA's but don't reply much. I am in the learning phase. Pictures like this are awesome because it really helps me to learn what to look for.

Thanks so much for taking the time to zoom in and post pictures like this. You are really a big help to us "newbies" :thumbsup:

 

...Kat

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that anchor screams at me...yuck

-Brig
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"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
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Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
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look like this type insignia have been used on the one I posted....(listed on eBay)

now I get it.... smart. but slow...... :w00t:

You found it William - exactly the one I had referred to. Thanks for taking the time to post!


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