Troy13 Posted November 12, 2010 Share #26 Posted November 12, 2010 I also have a tendancy to count pistol and rifle rounds, when you don't see peoplereloading. I'm with kjones on this one. It is amazing how many rounds some pistols/assult rifles hold. Also you may see a belt of MG ammo that is almost out in one scene then magically (a milli-second later) without reloading, the belt is a hundred rounds longer. Another thing that irks me is how can you fire into vehicles or houses but none of the bullets seem to penetrate the walls or doors hitting the person on the other side? Now you will see glass shatter and everything else go to Hades around the "main character", but just not him/her. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones5452 Posted November 12, 2010 Share #27 Posted November 12, 2010 While were at it, and I'm aware it's for the effect, it's the ammount of 'sparks' they fly off everything from piles of paper to people when rounds impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #28 Posted November 12, 2010 Far be it from me to not chime in. Take a look at just this one film. A Bridge Too Far. First up, the 101st Patch. Open for discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #29 Posted November 12, 2010 During the jump sequence the Jumpmaster can be seen wearing black boots and a NATO uniform. I cant recall who coordinated the jump but it was a NATO force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #30 Posted November 12, 2010 They use a combination of M-51 and M-65 field jackets throughout the movie. Take a look at this beauty. Complete with ghosts for stripped name and Branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 12, 2010 Share #31 Posted November 12, 2010 This is the blight of all miltaria collectors...US or otherwise. Instead of sitting back, relaxing and enjoying the movie, we have to scan each frame looking for "faults"...the wrong patch... inaccurate medal ribbon placement...'Nam era M1s in a WW2 movie etc.etc (Counselling is available!) Sabrejet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #32 Posted November 12, 2010 Speaking of chin cups......also has clip on chinstraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #33 Posted November 12, 2010 Last I checked they did not move the old Tower at Graf but it makes an appearance in Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #34 Posted November 12, 2010 They also wore jungle fatigues. The MPs in this sequence are wearing modern MP helmets and the wrong pants. Modern for the time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #35 Posted November 12, 2010 A better of shot of the jungle trousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #36 Posted November 12, 2010 Getting back to chin cups. SSgt. Eddie Dohun's example in the infamous 'It would mean a lot to me, sir, if you'd check him out" scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #37 Posted November 12, 2010 A bad helmet during SSgt. Eddie Dohun's 10 second arrest scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #38 Posted November 12, 2010 And more jungle trousers during the crossing scene. One of my all time favorite war movies and I can certainly get over the little mistakes on such an epic film. Others, well I could be at this for days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 12, 2010 Share #39 Posted November 12, 2010 There are "blunders" in even the most prestigious multi-million $$ productions...even Spielberg's "SPR" is not without its faults. In the final battle scene, at least one of the paratroopers is wearing black jumpboots. At first, I though it was due to the deliberately de-saturated colour of the movie as a whole, but I've replayed the scene several times and they sure look black to me! Sabrejet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake36bravo Posted November 12, 2010 Share #40 Posted November 12, 2010 There are "blunders" in even the most prestigious multi-million $$ productions...even Spielberg's "SPR" is not without its faults. In the final battle scene, at least one of the paratroopers is wearing black jumpboots. At first, I though it was due to the deliberately de-saturated colour of the movie as a whole, but I've replayed the scene several times and they sure look black to me! Sabrejet You are correct in this. As a Costume Designer you also have to remember exactly what has been said about production value and director or cinematographers vision. Some of the most asinine things make it into a film simply because someone thinks it looks cool or better that way. We had a term for this type of thing in the Army, looking 'Hollywood'. That said some movies get it right much better than others do. Really it comes down to who you hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 12, 2010 Share #41 Posted November 12, 2010 The older, immediate post-war 50s movies, plus those actually made during wartime, tend to be pretty good in terms of uniforms/gear etc. because it was largely current issue. That said, I never cease to be amazed at how "amateurish" many of the US uniforms are in "The Longest Day" (though I love the movie) Bear in mind it was made no more than 16 years after the events it portrays. There must've been tons of WW2 surplus available back then and yet they resorted to a mish-mash of obviously converted M1951s/43s etc., plus Robert "Cota" Mitchum's bizarre M1941 look-alike...not to mention those wierd jump-helmets!! Sabrejet :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones5452 Posted November 12, 2010 Share #42 Posted November 12, 2010 If you ever get the chance to watch 50s,60ish war films from the UK, you'll notice that attention to uniform detail is evident on shots of Brit and German uniforms. I watched one and couldn't believe I was seeing splinter camo smocks and correct para helmets on the Germans, and camo smocks on the Brits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 12, 2010 Share #43 Posted November 12, 2010 If you ever get the chance to watch 50s,60ish war films from the UK, you'll notice that attention to uniformdetail is evident on shots of Brit and German uniforms. I watched one and couldn't believe I was seeing splinter camo smocks and correct para helmets on the Germans, and camo smocks on the Brits. The British and German stuff in "The Longest Day" was pretty good too...overall, much better than the American stuff! Sabrejet :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted November 12, 2010 Share #44 Posted November 12, 2010 I know some people will probably get upset at me saying this but I will throw it out there anyway. I mean no offence to the people who have posted on here. Has the digital tv era where we can pause the movie to look clearly at every minute little detail turned us into perfectionists? If we could not pause a movie, would we notice the soldier in a plane door with the wrong kind of boots? Would we notice a chin strap is incorrect? Have we gone away from worrying about the historical accuracy of the battle to the accuracy of a uniform? I can understand some issues with a uniform but in the end, would you rather have the battle scene correct or the chin strap? Are people so focused on the uniform that they don't pay attention to the story line? Personally I would rather have a well acted historically correct movie than a poorly acted costume correct movie. ....Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 12, 2010 Share #45 Posted November 12, 2010 The gauntlet's been thrown down guys. Kat's made some valid points. Any takers?! Sabrejet :whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjones5452 Posted November 12, 2010 Share #46 Posted November 12, 2010 The way it is for me, I take a few second glance and say to myself that such & such ain't correct and then I'm focused back on the movie because I don't want to lose out on whats said and whats taking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted November 12, 2010 Share #47 Posted November 12, 2010 Would we notice a chin strap is incorrect? Have we gone away from worrying about the historical accuracy of the battle to the accuracy of a uniform? I can understand some issues with a uniform but in the end, would you rather have the battle scene correct or the chin strap? Are people so focused on the uniform that they don't pay attention to the story line?....Kat OK Kat, since you threw out the challenge, I am 52 years old and I've been doing this much longer than digitals been around. I started collecting in the early 70's. I'm a movie fan, I love every movie that the Duke was in however, I saw the chin cups and the swivel loop mistake at the local movie house, Saturday afternoon matinée, 3 war movies for $2.00. Trust me, there was no pause feature back then. I can't help but notice what I collect, sorry, can't help it, it's that way that I'm wired. I still liked the movie, it's just that I notice the mistakes. BTW, I ruined "Smokey and the Bandit" for my wife years ago when I had to explain to her that cars don't fall apart that easy(I was a auto collision specialist at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 12, 2010 Share #48 Posted November 12, 2010 OK Kat, since you threw out the challenge, I am 52 years old and I've been doing this much longer than digitals been around. I started collecting in the early 70's. I'm a movie fan, I love every movie that the Duke was in however, I saw the chin cups and the swivel loop mistake at the local movie house, Saturday afternoon matinée, 3 war movies for $2.00. Trust me, there was no pause feature back then. I can't help but notice what I collect, sorry, can't help it, it's that way that I'm wired. I still liked the movie, it's just that I notice the mistakes. BTW, I ruined "Smokey and the Bandit" for my wife years ago when I had to explain to her that cars don't fall apart that easy(I was a auto collision specialist at the time). For years I thought American cars were the toughest in the world. I mean..how many other nations can produce cars which keep on moving at speed without doors, a twisted hood, flat tyres, shot-out windscreens and a bent chassis?! Sabrejet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmjordan77 Posted November 12, 2010 Share #49 Posted November 12, 2010 A couple that I am thinking of are from Memphis Belle. I know it was pretty bad, but I liked that movie. I read it was a B-17G, but converted to an "F" model just for the movie. Also, in the beginning of the movie when the plane lands on 1 wheel and blows up, the plane is not a B-17 that blows up, pause it right before it explodes and you will see what I mean. Also, the crew are at max altitude, and the waist gunner pops his head out of the window to try and grab his medal that Jack Foley "throws" out the window. Not to mention each guy took gloves off, and touched alot of stuff at 25K they would have been frozen to that plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 12, 2010 Share #50 Posted November 12, 2010 Another common blunder seen in movies such as "Battle of Midway" is when they intersperse the studio shots of airplanes with actual newsreel footage and the planes seen therein differ from those in the former! So..take off in a Dauntless which then morphs into a Hellcat and lands as a Corsair!! Sabrejet :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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