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A recent addition to the canvas collection

 

 

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Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 Italy
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.."

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In Memoriam:
Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 Italy
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.."

Have you Hugged a Clown Today?

You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon..





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Belt has an extra set of grommets in the center on one section.

 

 

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In Memoriam:
Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 Italy
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.."

Have you Hugged a Clown Today?

You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon..





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Hello Doyler !

Congratulations for your rig. Especially for the ultra rare M1 Experimental holster. On the Meadows' book there is the whole and amaizing story of this holster (pag. 294 to 300): 54 made by R.I.A. in 1932, excellent test on the field but never adopted.

A long ago I posted some pictures of a holster like this one (in my collection), but I had no replies...Mine is very similar to your one, just mint and unissued, with proper U.S. markings (the U.S. stencil was authorized in January 1934 but were different from your one). Your holster has very nice MRT markings and correct date, while mine has that strange R.I.A. 3-2-68 inside. Not even Mr. Meadows has an explanation for this markings: he has in his collection an identically marked holster, but he can explain the meaning (maybe not a date, he said, or a new "from the dust" trial during Vietnam War...). If I'm not wrong your one has just a vertical stitching on the flap (very early sample style) while mine has the standard three lines crossing stitching. In any case a great GREAT finding... Thanks

Fausto

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Fausto, the 3-2-68 number would be the drawing number for the blue prints, and not a date.

Still, I would be very carefull buying a canvas holster. They would be real easy to reproduce.


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Hello Doyler !

Congratulations for your rig. Especially for the ultra rare M1 Experimental holster. On the Meadows' book there is the whole and amaizing story of this holster (pag. 294 to 300): 54 made by R.I.A. in 1932, excellent test on the field but never adopted.

A long ago I posted some pictures of a holster like this one (in my collection), but I had no replies...Mine is very similar to your one, just mint and unissued, with proper U.S. markings (the U.S. stencil was authorized in January 1934 but were different from your one). Your holster has very nice MRT markings and correct date, while mine has that strange R.I.A. 3-2-68 inside. Not even Mr. Meadows has an explanation for this markings: he has in his collection an identically marked holster, but he can explain the meaning (maybe not a date, he said, or a new "from the dust" trial during Vietnam War...). If I'm not wrong your one has just a vertical stitching on the flap (very early sample style) while mine has the standard three lines crossing stitching. In any case a great GREAT finding... Thanks

Fausto

 

 

Thanks Fausto

 

I believe mine is dated 10-33(?)Hard to tell.I understand the early dated holsters only used the month/year date.The US is hand stamped if I have been told correctly on the early models.Also has the two grommets on the back and one on the front for the thong which corresponds with one on the back.Dont think this has ever had a pistol in it.I also cant say its been on the belt for ever but this is how I aquired this last weekend.The FA pouch has a red colored kit in it(unopened) and well used.No US stamp on the FA pouch or signs it had one. :think:


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Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 Italy
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.."

Have you Hugged a Clown Today?

You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon..





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That is a very cool piece of gear. I never knew a canvas version existed. Thanks for posting it Ron.

 

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Besides these the only other rig I saw was the repro on eBay that a guy had which copied the one in the DeTrez

book, and that was last year sometime.


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Thanks to you all for your hints!

Yes, robinb, you are totally right: the 3-2-68 is a drawing number. On the Meadows's book there are two pictures of the original R.I.A. blue prints for these holsters (the prototype and a later revision with U.S. stencil etc.). These prints are plenty of drawing numbers (even the smallest component has its proper number) and these numbers are almost all printed in this three numbers style. The 3-2-68 doesn't appear on the prints, but it could be a later drawing code for the completed holster.

You are also right when warning about such a rare holster. I must say that I bought mine six or seven years ago from a serious eBay seller. I got it after a hard fight for about $ 350.00. A fake? Maybe of course. But I must say that in all my (long...) collector's life, I saw a holster like this - not considering the three pictured on the Meadows' book - just two times: mine and doyler's one. If a (skilled) faker got the deal, I figure that he would have made some more, every now and then. I must also add that any particular on my holster is correct and "smells" original and legit. Not only, the sewing machine failed to stitch half an inch of the green rim to the closing flap edge. Maybe this is the reason for the holster was discarded but not thrown away and then got home as souvenir by a sentimental R.I.A. worker? God knows. In any case, to be honest, I wouldn't swear that this holster is original... Just hope so...

Doyler: I would swear indeed that YOUR holster is 100% original. And a very rare bird to catch... Mr. Meadows says that these 50 holsters were hardly tested and very few survived - in his opinion - in decent condition. Anyhow, the ones Meadows shows in his book - three in all - are all in mint condition. Two pictures could be from Gvt. source, but at least one, identical to mine, is in his collection...

Thanks yo you all !

Fausto

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Thanks to you all for your hints!

Yes, robinb, you are totally right: the 3-2-68 is a drawing number. On the Meadows's book there are two pictures of the original R.I.A. blue prints for these holsters (the prototype and a later revision with U.S. stencil etc.). These prints are plenty of drawing numbers (even the smallest component has its proper number) and these numbers are almost all printed in this three numbers style. The 3-2-68 doesn't appear on the prints, but it could be a later drawing code for the completed holster.

You are also right when warning about such a rare holster. I must say that I bought mine six or seven years ago from a serious eBay seller. I got it after a hard fight for about $ 350.00. A fake? Maybe of course. But I must say that in all my (long...) collector's life, I saw a holster like this - not considering the three pictured on the Meadows' book - just two times: mine and doyler's one. If a (skilled) faker got the deal, I figure that he would have made some more, every now and then. I must also add that any particular on my holster is correct and "smells" original and legit. Not only, the sewing machine failed to stitch half an inch of the green rim to the closing flap edge. Maybe this is the reason for the holster was discarded but not thrown away and then got home as souvenir by a sentimental R.I.A. worker? God knows. In any case, to be honest, I wouldn't swear that this holster is original... Just hope so...

Doyler: I would swear indeed that YOUR holster is 100% original. And a very rare bird to catch... Mr. Meadows says that these 50 holsters were hardly tested and very few survived - in his opinion - in decent condition. Anyhow, the ones Meadows shows in his book - three in all - are all in mint condition. Two pictures could be from Gvt. source, but at least one, identical to mine, is in his collection...

Thanks yo you all !

Fausto

 

 

Thanks to all who have looked and commented with all the extra information.

 

Fausto,

This holster caught my eye laying on a table at our local show last weekend.It was brought in as seen in a box of military gear.The guy laid it out on his friends table.I just happen to see it laying on the guys table and no one was looking at it very much.The general opinion is that no one knew what it was so it must be fake(lucky for me)I didnt imidiately go look at it myself.I thought it may have been a holster made up by a rigger on board a Navy aircraft carrier.I have seen various items made before.The canvas having a grey color made me think Navy.Then I saw the RIA.I guess this threw everyone off too.As for cost.... it was about what you would pay for a meduim pizza and a 20oz bottle of soda(for the whole rig).

 

I have a repo holster made to look rigger made.Very well done and it has more padding.I may post it later.It was made in Arizona.There were also some M1916 holsters being made out of Camo WW2 Marine ponchos.I saw only two or three of them on ebay.I wasnt succesful at buying one.Very well made and I think they were being sold out of Tenesse about 1-2 years ago.I think the guy did a shoulder holster too.

 

Thanks again

RD


In Memoriam:
Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 Italy
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.."

Have you Hugged a Clown Today?

You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon..





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Somewhere I have a photo of the same holster in the Rock Island Arsenal Museum. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Tim

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Thanks Tim, it would be nice. And a useful addition, indeed...

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Man that is cool and another to add to the list of things to hunt for.


Always looking for uniquely marked helmets, WWI and WWII American Field Service items, WWII and earlier USMC items and named or numbered medals and medal groups.


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I'm probably the guy who made the holster mentioned in post #16 that came out of Arizona. I make rigger gear and sell the holsters if anyone is interested. The holsters are made from heavy duty military cotton duck canvas, are sewn with industrial cotton thread, have original parachute harness webbing used for the hanger system, have an original GI 1910 hook and GI lift the dot fasteners. I can make them in OD or khaki canvas, with or without the crazy reinforcing stitching, using white webbing or OD, and finish them with nickle or black lift the dots. They're $50 plus shipping. If you're interested you can see photos below and contact me at [email protected]

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Herb

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Herb

 

Thanks for posting.I believe you did make mine.The one I have is the tan version.Great work and quality.Do you go by Sandhill on the net?

 

Thanks again

 

RD


In Memoriam:
Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 Italy
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.."

Have you Hugged a Clown Today?

You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon..





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Hello Herb !

Thanks for posting the pictures of the nice holsters you make. As you are an expert of canvas holster making, it would be very nice and useful to know your opinion about the holsters pictured at the beginning of this thread. I mean mine, marked R.I.A. 3-2-68 and the doyler's one, marked M.R.T. 10-33. Could these holsters be legit and original or are they - in particular mine - reproductions? What do you think about? Thank you so much for your opinion...

Fausto

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Hello Herb !

Thanks for posting the pictures of the nice holsters you make. As you are an expert of canvas holster making, it would be very nice and useful to know your opinion about the holsters pictured at the beginning of this thread. I mean mine, marked R.I.A. 3-2-68 and the doyler's one, marked M.R.T. 10-33. Could these holsters be legit and original or are they - in particular mine - reproductions? What do you think about? Thank you so much for your opinion...

Fausto

 

Hi Fausto,

I'm far from an expert on the canvas holsters. I just know how to make reproductions of them. Both of the ones posted look good to me but they are the first ones besides mine, the camouflage one one ebay right now and the one in DeTrez's book that I've ever seen. I just started making them after seeing the FABTF book and decided that it was a neat item and wondered if I could make them. That's the tough part about our hobby, you never really know.

Herb

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