patches Posted November 24, 2021 Share #76 Posted November 24, 2021 On 1/27/2019 at 8:22 PM, patches said: A bad TYPO on my part I notice now. "interestingly the 3rd Pattern doesn't seem to have had the tape sewn on when seen in unissued condition, perhaps because this pattern wasn't issued or available for purchase for that long before the new 3rd Pattern came out." 3rd Pattern should read 2nd Pattern, as with this unissued example below, for some reason U.S. ARMY tapes are not found sewn on this type, possibly as mentioned, wasn't issued or available for purchase for that long before the new 3rd Pattern came out. or it wasn't required cause it was with the idea of this 2nd Pattern being a standard Armed Forces issue item, ach who knows . Here's the 2nd Pattern worn by Basic Trainees as the initial issue, 1965, the one were we see U.S. ARMY Tapes already sewn on, without the NAME Tapes, these were kinda rare, haven't seen these around, unissued 2nd Patterns with the tape sewn on by the manufacturer, 1st Pattern yes, 3rd Pattern yes, both the early full color tape and the post 1968 subdued tape. Fort Leonard Wood April 1965 Fort Knox May 1965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 24, 2021 Share #77 Posted November 24, 2021 15 hours ago, beefheart said: Hi @patches, thank you for the information. Just realized that the lettering it's very identical to early Vietnamese embroidered tape. I also provide the better picture of the tape and also the shirt below if you have any comment. It's 173rd abn (right), 101st abn (left) Pure Guess on my part, shirt may now of been worn at Ft Campbell Kentucky by a vet of the 173rd and he took his his shirt home he wore there, period 66-67, was a Spec 4 then a Sgt, we see Ghosting of the Sgt stripes, also see Ghosting of the 173rd Patch under the 101 one, so switched the 173rd or a new 173rd to the combat side,, a stretch would be he was in the 175rd but transferred to the 101 in country (That's the 1st Brigade 101st Airborne Division,,1st Brigade 101st Airborne Division was in Vietnam July 1965, while the rest of the 101 was at Campbell, and heads over there in late 1967). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorInHistory Posted December 18, 2021 Share #78 Posted December 18, 2021 So using the above information, would this be a pretty good representation of the progression of tape styles during Vietnam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted December 19, 2021 Share #79 Posted December 19, 2021 6 hours ago, MinorInHistory said: So using the above information, would this be a pretty good representation of the progression of tape styles during Vietnam? Yes. But the Embroidered NAME Tapes on White U.S. ARMY one in Color and the embroidered U.S. ARMY one in Subdued will be Private Purchase types. The Woven Color and Subdued U.S. ARMY and the Stamped Subdued NAME Tape will be the Issue type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted December 21, 2021 Share #80 Posted December 21, 2021 Here's a 1967 photo in South Vietnam of General Harold Johnson Chief of Staff U.S. Army in his fatigues wearing the Issue Stamped on OD Web U.S. ARMY and NAME Tapes, this showing that these could and were worn not only by Trainees who got them issued , but by just about everyone then when they first came out, with men like General Johnson and other permanent party people, these were gotten by them at Clothing Sales Stores Army Wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefheart Posted December 23, 2021 Share #81 Posted December 23, 2021 On 12/19/2021 at 9:52 AM, patches said: Yes. But the Embroidered NAME Tapes on White U.S. ARMY one in Color and the embroidered U.S. ARMY one in Subdued will be Private Purchase types. The Woven Color and Subdued U.S. ARMY and the Stamped Subdued NAME Tape will be the Issue type. hi hello, just want to clarify sir. meaning that the Embroidered US Army tape in subdued, is actually private purchased? Not issue. i have one in exact style (actually its the sateen shirt from the very same person of my 2 jungle jacket 101s airborne) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted December 24, 2021 Share #82 Posted December 24, 2021 16 hours ago, beefheart said: hi hello, just want to clarify sir. meaning that the Embroidered US Army tape in subdued, is actually private purchased? Not issue. i have one in exact style (actually its the sateen shirt from the very same person of my 2 jungle jacket 101s airborne) There really will be two private purchases as far as this Subdued U.S. ARMY Tape, this one above with the border, which were pre made and sold at Civilian Army-Navy Stores and the PXs, and the ones with both the U.S. ARMY and NAME Tape which were made to order at PX Tailors on Army Posts, the cloth used on these were varied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 15, 2022 Share #83 Posted January 15, 2022 Two great studies, the Private Purchase Army-Navy Store/PX Subdued U.S. ARMY Tape, with OD Border being worn. This shows that this particular Subdued Tape was out and being worn by the Summer of 1967, probably a little earlier, because as you see are from the film The Green Berets, which was shot at Ft Benning in the summer of 67. Actual Green Berets in the beginning of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 15, 2022 Share #84 Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, patches said: Two great studies, the Private Purchase Army-Navy Store/PX Subdued U.S. ARMY Tape, with OD Border being worn. This shows that this particular Subdued Tape was out and being worn by the Summer of 1967, probably a little earlier, because as you see are from the film The Green Berets, which was shot at Ft Benning in the summer of 67. Actual Green Berets in the beginning of the movie. Captain MacDaniel (Actor Edward Faulkner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 15, 2022 Share #85 Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, patches said: Two great studies, the Private Purchase Army-Navy Store/PX Subdued U.S. ARMY Tape, with OD Border being worn. This shows that this particular Subdued Tape was out and being worn by the Summer of 1967, probably a little earlier, because as you see are from the film The Green Berets, which was shot at Ft Benning in the summer of 67. Actual Green Berets in the beginning of the movie. They were being worn at Bragg in 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 15, 2022 Share #86 Posted January 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, e19 said: They were being worn at Bragg in 1966. Late 66 correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 15, 2022 Share #87 Posted January 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, patches said: Late 66 correct? Yes, I think it was around October, 66. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 16, 2022 Share #88 Posted January 16, 2022 21 hours ago, e19 said: Yes, I think it was around October, 66. Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorInHistory Posted January 17, 2022 Share #89 Posted January 17, 2022 Following this topic with great interest. What about these three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 18, 2022 Share #90 Posted January 18, 2022 10 hours ago, MinorInHistory said: Following this topic with great interest. What about these three? Late-sh 60s into 70s. a shot of the whole shirt the bottom two are sewn on would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorInHistory Posted January 19, 2022 Share #91 Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 9:48 PM, patches said: Late-sh 60s into 70s. a shot of the whole shirt the bottom two are sewn on would help. Actually, these are two separate shirts: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 19, 2022 Share #92 Posted January 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, MinorInHistory said: Actually, these are two separate shirts: These shirts were worn when this Taylor was assigned to the AIR DEFENSE ARTILLERY CENTER AND SCHOOL at Ft Bliss Texas, bet he was in Korea before this, a check of the one shirt with the Korean writing on the tape for ghosting of a South Korea based unit shoulder patch, maybe the other shirt too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 30, 2022 Share #93 Posted January 30, 2022 This photo is identified as being at Fort Dix, New Jersey in 1972. Notice the DI on the right is wearing nylon name and ARMY tapes with no rank insignia. I have seen a lot of discussion in different forums about how the nylon tapes - especially nylon name tapes - were mostly considered to be an indicator of a basic trainee and soldiers would frequently rush to replace them with the cotton embroidered versions after graduation from basic. The DI on the left is wearing a nylon ARMY tape with embroidered name tape. Also of note is that he has his first initial after his last name on his name tape. You occasionally see this practice, but I have never been certain as to why some soldiers would do it while most would not. Also, it seems much more common on Navy fatigues than any other branch from what I have seen. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra 6 Actual Posted January 30, 2022 Share #94 Posted January 30, 2022 Curiously, Sean, the Drill Sergeant on the right also does not have a Drill Sergeant Badge (“The Pumpkin”) on his right pocket, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted January 30, 2022 Share #95 Posted January 30, 2022 He looks more like a trainee than a Drill Sgt. No SSI, no DS pocket badge, no rank, no starch, not even ironed. Weird how high up his pants are, almost to the jacket pocket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 31, 2022 Share #96 Posted January 31, 2022 6 hours ago, e19 said: He looks more like a trainee than a Drill Sgt. No SSI, no DS pocket badge, no rank, no starch, not even ironed. Weird how high up his pants are, almost to the jacket pocket! Yes that's my thought too, he was permitted to wear perhaps this drill sergeant spare hat for a snap shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanderbilt Posted February 22, 2022 Share #97 Posted February 22, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 9:53 PM, patches said: Yes that's my thought too, he was permitted to wear perhaps this drill sergeant spare hat for a snap shot. .....perhaps an outstanding recruit? A photo maybe taken either right before or after graduation. Or might be he's a cousin or an old hometown friend that just happened to land in the BT group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 13, 2022 Share #98 Posted July 13, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 10:16 AM, seanmc1114 said: This photo is identified as being at Fort Dix, New Jersey in 1972. Notice the DI on the right is wearing nylon name and ARMY tapes with no rank insignia. I have seen a lot of discussion in different forums about how the nylon tapes - especially nylon name tapes - were mostly considered to be an indicator of a basic trainee and soldiers would frequently rush to replace them with the cotton embroidered versions after graduation from basic. The DI on the left is wearing a nylon ARMY tape with embroidered name tape. Also of note is that he has his first initial after his last name on his name tape. You occasionally see this practice, but I have never been certain as to why some soldiers would do it while most would not. Also, it seems much more common on Navy fatigues than any other branch from what I have seen. Any ideas? On 1/30/2022 at 12:11 PM, Cobra 6 Actual said: Curiously, Sean, the Drill Sergeant on the right also does not have a Drill Sergeant Badge (“The Pumpkin”) on his right pocket, either. On 1/30/2022 at 3:40 PM, e19 said: He looks more like a trainee than a Drill Sgt. No SSI, no DS pocket badge, no rank, no starch, not even ironed. Weird how high up his pants are, almost to the jacket pocket! On 1/30/2022 at 9:53 PM, patches said: Yes that's my thought too, he was permitted to wear perhaps this drill sergeant spare hat for a snap shot. Okay, I'll try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immurement Posted July 13, 2022 Share #99 Posted July 13, 2022 Great thread and that still photo from The Green Berets is outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefheart Posted July 14, 2022 Share #100 Posted July 14, 2022 Thought i'd share all my US Army tape, all original sewn to the jacket. It have wide varieties from US made to theater made (both embroidered and hand sewn). Mostly from early to late Nam, all wartime period. These are the best pictures i could take, if you need some close-up or comment just let me know! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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