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For you Airborne types here are some screen captures showing the famous Col. Harry A. "Paddy" Flint wearing a reinforced M42 Paratroopers jacket. Film footage was shot in St. Sauvier outside of Cherbourg on June 26, 1944. Col. Flint commanded the 39th Infantry Regiment, 9th ID.

Note the "Anything, Anywhere, Anytime, Bar Nothing" slogan stenciled on his helmet.

 


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“There's not much I can tell you about this war. It's like all wars, I guess.The undertakers are winning.The politicians who talk about the glory of it.The old men who talk about the need of it.The soldiers, well, they just wanna go home.” Jimmy Stewart in Shenandoah

 

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Was anyone else watching this auction?

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Original-Named-No...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

It finished at $21,330.00.

 

 

When I moved this to the reference section I saw the original pics from the auction had never been saved to the thread. I tried to recover them but they had been deleted already. There is interesting discussion about these uniforms included in the thread and even without the original pics it has good information value.

Seeking anything attributed to General Clifford Bluemel

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I was shocked as well. I had a discussion earlier this week with a couple of people regarding this set when it first popped up on ebay. I don't want to rush to judge this without seeing it in person but the laundry marking is what caused me to raise some concern. Not the method or numbers but the pen that was used on this one. In the pictures it does not appear to have the typical sheen to the marking that a 1940s marking pen produces. It could be the light or picture but it looks too "flat black" to me.

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The suit was bought by a European board member, I'll leave it up to him to make himself known or not.

 

Anyway, the suit sold for what we Europeans thought it would sell for. I don't know how common these are in the US, but they are worth their weight in Gold over here. AND with the current value of the Dollar versus the Euro or Pound, the price was OK, expensive but OK! Another ID'd Reinforced suit was sold in Europe last summer and it went for about the same price.

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If the original owner was in fact a dentist, I doubt he would have jumped on D-day being concidered non-essential in the first wave and too valuable to loose and would have gone in with the aid stations later.

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This true! There are two things to keep in mind with this suit that we are talking about (aside from the laundry marking pen I mentioned earlier):

 

1. Was it gas impregnated? First off not every single suit was gas impregnated, this we know, but around 98.5% of them were. If this was gas treated and it has sat in that footlocker all these years, something tells me it should stink to high heaven (or at least more than most that were treated and exposed to air over the years).

 

2. Did it see use in Normandy? The fading to the reinforcing and stitching does not look consistent with known Normandy treated and used ID'd examples. Let me be clear, I am not saying the stitching on this jacket is in question. I am stating that based on the pictures shown it does not look like it was worn and washed after 30 days of use in the field. I will add an original example or two when I get to my other computer this evening. **Note example as discussed top, ebay example bottom**

 

This very well and most likely is an original that was modified and sat in that footlocker all these years.

 

Just my .02

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I know both the top bidders and so do a lot of you.

 

I sold two named reinforced jump suits last year for roughly the same amount of money as the one on ebay (have one back now). So in Europe these prices are not unusual.

 

The suit doesn't look impregated, but does look original!! Remember many suits didn't make it to Normandy and the owners used their non-reinforced suits instead.

 

Some didn't like the impregnation (such as Winters). As with all pre combat waiting, some members were sick or had trouble the other end, so changed. Some Liaison teams or individuals were transfered in at the last moment. Did they all have impregated reinforced jump suits?

 

Mark Bando mentions "If they do not have the CC-2 impregnantion, there is no compelling evidence that they took part in the Invasion. The riggers continued to modify 42 style suits into the summer of 44, right-up until the M43s were introduced. I know of a 502 vet, (WIA at Carentan), who left the hospital in England in summer 44, and was issued a brand-new set of rigger-modified M42s, which he never even wore, and he sent them home."

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I know a guy who was in the 508th and jumped at dday. He was captured a day or so later. I asked if he saved anything like a jumpsuit. He said they treated their jumpsuits and they rotted off them. He said they just fell apart when they were in prison camp. I dont know if this was from gas treatment or camo treatment.

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It wouldn't be from camo paint treatment as examples survive today (General Apathy might post his painted suit) and I think the same can be said for the impregnated suits.

 

Most suits were worn just for the Normandy jump/campaign. Now if taken prisoner and taken to Germany, then the suit would be worn everyday for months. I can understand in those circumstances that suits will rot. Perhaps that is what your vet means?

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I never siad the suit did not look original. Re-read my post. I said it did not look impregnated nor did it look used in Normandy in my opinion. Never questioned the price either.

 

Winters? Really? Careful.

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I wasn't referring to you or any one elses comments. I was just adding my thoughts on the suit.

 

Re: Dick Winters; he states that he didn't wear the reinforced suit because of the smell and the stiffness of the impregnation. Is that not true? What about the jump jacket in the Dead Man's Corner Museum. Is it his Normandy jacket?

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I got it from a 101st vet, last name Pool. He was a friends father. It has been over 35 years ago and I'll be damned if I can remember his first name.

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Inside details of the jackets:

The 1st photo is the inside of the 101st

2nd photo are the holes in the arm pits of the jacket

3rd photo is the pocket tag which has been laundered so many times it is toast (ruined)

4th photo is of the pocket buttons. You will notice 2 sets of buttons an extra set for when the pockets are very full.

 

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The following photos are of the zippers on both jackets.

 

The 101st has a crown body zipper and a talon zipper by the neck.

 

The 82nd has conmar zippers.

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I found this in the back room of an old Army-Navy store about 5 years ago. It was in a box with a bunch of very small HBT jackets. I only noticed today that it is named Peterson Mar? and serial number P4553. Anyone have access to rosters? I don't, but sure would like to know if tracing this name is possible. Peterson could be Petersen, also. It's very faded and hard to make out.

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Pathfinder505 comment:

Can you tell if a patch was ever sewn on? In what state did you find the jacket (Oregon)? You might be able to do a NARA Search on the last name and match it up. Other than that it will be VERY difficult to find.

 

robinb comment:

I found it in California. There is no sign of any patches ever on it.

 

Bob Carter comment:

Wow, that's a great find. That type of reinforcement is more typical of 101st Airborne. I looked through the rosters I have but didn't match this name and # up, which really doesn't mean anything. You may want to run that name and partial ASN through the forum on Mark Bando's Trigger Time site to see if anyone else has some info. This person should be relatively easy to find given the info you already have.

 

Here's the link to the site.

 

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