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3 hours ago, Cobra Jock said:

Here's my 1976 photo of the NCO's of B Co 1/29 (ABN-RGR). Ranger qualified personnel had a Ranger tab sewn above the beret flash.

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Ah yes the Famous Bravo Rangers,thanks for posting this.

 

There was talk if the company was a actual Ranger unit or not. If you can add more info on the company in those days please do

 

 

 

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I joined C Company 1/29th (ABN-RGR) in August of 1974. Me and two other guys from A Co 1/29th: Karl Kurtz and Roger Bracket, all went to the Ranger Company to interview with the CO to obtain a letter of acceptance. Captain Robert L. Howard (Medal of Honor recipient) was then commanding. We were a bit intimidated but the interview went well and we were accepted. The unit was based at Harmony Church at the time. Funny, I remember running out to Victory Pond one morning just after I got there and, not accustomed to the pace, hills, or distance, I had to pull off for a quick barf.  While doing that I heard someone nearby doing the same - it was CPT Howard. I didn't feel so bad then. Upon returning to the Company area, the CO promoted a few of us PVTs to PFC. My platoon sergeant was SFC Riley, can't recall who the TOP was. The 1/29th moved to Kelly Hill in 1975 and reorganized, changing the company from "C" to "B." We maintained the 75th INF lineage at least until I left there in Aug 1977. Commanders while I was there were CPTs Howard, Hanson, and Nishimoto. Those b&w photos of C Co are great with many familiar faces.

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11 hours ago, Cobra Jock said:

I joined C Company 1/29th (ABN-RGR) in August of 1974. Me and two other guys from A Co 1/29th: Karl Kurtz and Roger Bracket, all went to the Ranger Company to interview with the CO to obtain a letter of acceptance. Captain Robert L. Howard (Medal of Honor recipient) was then commanding. We were a bit intimidated but the interview went well and we were accepted. The unit was based at Harmony Church at the time. Funny, I remember running out to Victory Pond one morning just after I got there and, not accustomed to the pace, hills, or distance, I had to pull off for a quick barf.  While doing that I heard someone nearby doing the same - it was CPT Howard. I didn't feel so bad then. Upon returning to the Company area, the CO promoted a few of us PVTs to PFC. My platoon sergeant was SFC Riley, can't recall who the TOP was. The 1/29th moved to Kelly Hill in 1975 and reorganized, changing the company from "C" to "B." We maintained the 75th INF lineage at least until I left there in Aug 1977. Commanders while I was there were CPTs Howard, Hanson, and Nishimoto. Those b&w photos of C Co are great with many familiar faces.

Thank you for that detailed response.

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On 10/11/2017 at 3:34 PM, seanmc1114 said:

When were the colors of the South Vietnamese flag added back to the 5th Special Forces Group flash?

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Around 2016.  Oval has had it for a long time.

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On 10/12/2017 at 10:33 AM, seanmc1114 said:

Is the Ranger beret an organizational item or a personal item? The reason I ask is that I notice that the current and prior commanders of the joint-service U.S. Special Operations Command who were Army generals all seem to have worn the Ranger beret, either black in the 90s or tan today. Is that because they are personally Ranger qualified or is the USSOC considered a Ranger unit by the Army? I would think if anything it would be considered Airborne and the soldiers assigned to it would wear the maroon beret.

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If you are part of SOCOM you wear a maroon beret unless you were were a long tabbed (then green) or if you had ever been assigned to RGR RGT, then you wear that beret

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An Early 1967 photo of ROTC Cadets of an unidentified school, undergoing training at an unidentified Army Post, these Cadets are wearing Black Berets at this date, they are wearing no other insignia IE Flashes or Bars, other than their School's DI, of which we can not tell. Note too the use of the Garands and M1910 Cartridge Belts and Canteen Covers, and no doubt Bandage Pouches and the M1945 Packs.

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On 6/11/2020 at 5:22 PM, Skysoldier80 said:

He is In the Support Unit.

 Notice the lack of the Special Forces tab (AKA the long tab) that would show completion of the "Q" course. SF is an airborne unit so everyone assigned there will wear a maroon beret. Support personnel and anyone else who is not SF qualified will wear the maroon and not the green beret. That includes their doctors, linguists, supply, drivers, mechanics, admin clerks... etc.

In the 70s to the 80s they would wear a green beret but instead of the full flash they would have a stripe in the same color and general design to show they weren't SF qualified. 

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On 7/17/2020 at 7:13 PM, patches said:

An Early 1967 photo of ROTC Cadets of an unidentified school, undergoing training at an unidentified Army Post, these Cadets are wearing Black Berets at this date, they are wearing no other insignia IE Flashes or Bars, other than their School's DI, of which we can not tell. Note too the use of the Garands and M1910 Cartridge Belts and Canteen Covers, and no doubt Bandage Pouches and the M1945 Packs.

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ROTC has their own allowed uniform modifications. These were probably doing something like the Ranger Challenge, where they do a series of tests in competition with other schools. Weapons qual, land nav, obstacle courses, PT test scores.

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3 hours ago, Unicorn said:

 Notice the lack of the Special Forces tab (AKA the long tab) that would show completion of the "Q" course. SF is an airborne unit so everyone assigned there will wear a maroon beret. Support personnel and anyone else who is not SF qualified will wear the maroon and not the green beret. That includes their doctors, linguists, supply, drivers, mechanics, admin clerks... etc.

In the 70s to the 80s they would wear a green beret but instead of the full flash they would have a stripe in the same color and general design to show they weren't SF qualified. 

Yes I am fully aware.  Thanks.

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7 hours ago, Unicorn said:

ROTC has their own allowed uniform modifications. These were probably doing something like the Ranger Challenge, where they do a series of tests in competition with other schools. Weapons qual, land nav, obstacle courses, PT test scores.

This was from an article from the June 1967 ARMY Magazines, no caption, just a general article on the integrated training ROTC Cadets had with the Regular Army, indicating they are just going through some training at an Army post along side a active division, wish the photo was captioned, you know with school they're from (We then could try and ID the unit crest they're wearing and bring up an image of it), the division that there training along side with,

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Fellow members, I would like it if you could take a look at the history section on the United States military beret flash Wikipedia article I have been working on.  Because it is Wikipedia, I cannot go into great detail on stuff but I can provide an overview with some detail.  I would enjoy reading your thoughts on what I may be missing from the history and any reputable sources that would help back them up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_beret_flash

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On 7/31/2020 at 5:26 PM, patches said:

This was from an article from the June 1967 ARMY Magazines, no caption, just a general article on the integrated training ROTC Cadets had with the Regular Army, indicating they are just going through some training at an Army post along side a active division, wish the photo was captioned, you know with school they're from (We then could try and ID the unit crest they're wearing and bring up an image of it), the division that there training along side with,


At that time it could have been their own school uniform, or they might have been training with an armored division, many of whom were wearing the black tanker beret.

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12 hours ago, Unicorn said:


At that time it could have been their own school uniform, or they might have been training with an armored division, many of whom were wearing the black tanker beret.

The Black Beret was not worn by Armor Units in 1967 like it would be later in the 70s, it was worn in 1967 however unofficially, albeit in small numbers, by LRRP units and battalion level RECON Platoons in South Vietnam (This being 1967-very early 1969 before the establishment of the new 75th Ranger Companies that replaced the LRRP units in Divisions or Separate Brigades, and with the battalion level RECON Platoons who still could be seen wearing them as well ), and at the NCO School and within the Ranger Department at Ft Benning, and by random individuals in Infantry units, perhaps Armor and even Air Cavalry units in South Vietnam, even in one case as posted in this topic by an Artilleryman of the 1st Cav Div in 1967-69, again these are believed to be for the most part  RECON type units within a battalion, squadron, or company/troop, if not, like in the case of the Artilleryman, then just a local personally acquired beret worn as or for a lack of a better term, as a "Fashion Statement". Black Berets in this period were apparently seen in rare cases in other places army wide, here we believe these would be battalion level RECON Platoon members.

 

The Black Beret of course came to be worn starting in the early 70s, like 1972 to 1978 within Armor and Armored Cavalry unit, its wear while widespread both in the Regular Army and in the Reserve Components was again unofficial, and banned in 1978 by the DoA except for the Special Forces and the new 75th Rangers, as well as the Ranger Department at Benning.

 

On this ROTC photo, I sure wish the school these guys came from was mentioned, it would of went a ways in IDing unit, like in exmple they may have adpted by this date of 1967 some kind of RANGER title for their ROTC unit and adopted the then Black Beret as was starting to be associated with the Army Rangers at Benning and the LRRPs in South Vietnam, who were in a lot of cases Ranger Qualified, particularly the Officers.

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Green beret with a candy stripe of an unknown group and Special Forces DUI's worn by an infantryman wearing the Infantry blue shoulder cord and discs. Note he is also wearing a fourragere.  

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3 hours ago, cavcon said:

Great photo!    Thanks for sharing 

My pleasure. Photo was on the front cover of the November 1976 issue of ARMY Magazine.

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And this from the November 1978 issue of ARMY Magazine, a very detailed bulletin on the future of the Multi Colored Berets, there was an attempt, an appeal, to keep the Maroon Beret, but it was as we know now unsuccessful.

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I can't find if this one has been posted before, so here it is regardless. Trooper of Company O 75th Infantry during the second incarnation of that unit between August 1970 and September 1972 when it was known as the Arctic Rangers (the first being when it was the LRRP unit assigned to the 3rd Brigade 82nd Airborne Division in Vietnam from February through December 1969). 

 

I have seen a post in another topic in this forum that indicates the flash was worn by Company C 1st Battalion 60th Infantry.

 

 

Also note that he is not wearing the blue oval with seven white stars often attributed to this unit. Instead, he is wearing a gold oval with black border and red lightning bolt attributed to the 75th Infantry HQ. 

 

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