Rolf Posted July 28, 2016 Share #76 Posted July 28, 2016 Can any aircraft buff on here identify the bird in the pic? C-123? It is actually an early model C-130. The red rectangle shows the location of the Jump/Caution lights consistent with the C-130. It also shows the roller track that the jump door rides up as it is opened by the loadmaster (much like a garage door). The C-123 has a hinged door that is removed before the jump flight begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 28, 2016 Share #77 Posted July 28, 2016 The pic is listed as being taken in 1953. There's a trooper with a 101st SSI, which was stationed at Camp Breckenridge, KY, in '53. The two SFGs (10th & 77th) that existed during '53 were both at FtBragg, NC. That would definitely be a caption error e19, why? Because in 1953 the 101 was still a Training Division when it was at Breckenridge, it was off both Combat and Jump Status, and would wear no AIRBORNE tab over the patch, photo will have to date after 1956. Two good topics on the 101 of those days. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/197188-101st-airborne-training-division-516th-327th-helmet-liner-named/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/194396-wear-of-airborne-ssi-as-combat-patches-without-airborne-tab/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
63 RECON Posted July 28, 2016 Share #78 Posted July 28, 2016 That would definitely be a caption error e19, why? Because in 1953 the 101 was still a Training Division when it was at Breckenridge, it was off both Combat and Jump Status, and would wear no AIRBORNE tab over the patch, photo will have to date after 1956. Two good topics on the 101 of those days. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/197188-101st-airborne-training-division-516th-327th-helmet-liner-named/ http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/194396-wear-of-airborne-ssi-as-combat-patches-without-airborne-tab/ I noticed that as well when i started looking into it to try and find more info, is it me or in some of the pics that you can see the 101st patch the tab over the 101st patch looks like a scroll? Not a bad book on the 101st during that time. https://www.amazon.com/John-Tubinis-File-Breckinridge-1948-1953/dp/151489579X When did the 101st start wearing airborne tabs again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted July 29, 2016 Share #79 Posted July 29, 2016 There are a number of photos on eBay right now showing paratroopers with camo covers. http://www.ebay.com/itm/23-194-MILITARY-SOLDIERS-IN-AIRPLANE-PARATROOP-TRAINING-1953-AMERICANA-/122057709175?hash=item1c6b34d677:g:J1EAAOSwM4xXZZAl They are 3 pictures in this group that are reversed. 188, 189 and 192. The reserve ripcords are shown on the left side. All reserves are right pull only (but today they use center pull). The 1953 date is incorrect because the C-130 did not begin arriving to Air Force units until 1956. Also this picture clearly shows the jumpers have riser quick releases made by the Capewell Co. These were not adopted by the Army until the early 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted July 29, 2016 Share #80 Posted July 29, 2016 Sorry, I guess I got off the original subject. OH YEAH.....NEAT HELMET COVERS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 29, 2016 Share #81 Posted July 29, 2016 It is actually an early model C-130. post-68384-0-04765600-1469417041.jpg The red rectangle shows the location of the Jump/Caution lights consistent with the C-130. It also shows the roller track that the jump door rides up as it is opened by the loadmaster (much like a garage door). The C-123 has a hinged door that is removed before the jump flight begins. Rolf...no problem man I believe ya. It's a 130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted July 29, 2016 Share #82 Posted July 29, 2016 Whoooa Ronnie, I sure wasn't trying to be contentious, I was simply pointing out the details that made it a 130 instead of a 123. In the other pictures it shows the jump platform, wind deflector and round windows that also identifies it as a 130. C-123s didn't have any of those things and their windows were rectangular. Many times it is hard trying to identify an aircraft from the inside so you look for the little things. By the way, did you know that the C-123 was initially designed as a glider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 29, 2016 Share #83 Posted July 29, 2016 I noticed that as well when i started looking into it to try and find more info, is it me or in some of the pics that you can see the 101st patch the tab over the 101st patch looks like a scroll? Not a bad book on the 101st during that time. https://www.amazon.com/John-Tubinis-File-Breckinridge-1948-1953/dp/151489579X When did the 101st start wearing airborne tabs again? Nah we're not seeing a scroll, unless it's perhaps a RANGER Tab, meaning a Grad of the course. AIRBORNE tabs came back in 1956 in the 101 when it's colors and what little staff/cadre from the training division that were jump qualified closed on Campbell and began to prepare for it's long awaited revival as a full Combat Division again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted July 29, 2016 Share #84 Posted July 29, 2016 They are 3 pictures in this group that are reversed. 188, 189 and 192. The reserve ripcords are shown on the left side. All reserves are right pull only (but today they use center pull). My mistake, picture 192 was not reversed. Air Force ripcords were on the LEFT side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 29, 2016 Share #85 Posted July 29, 2016 Whoooa Ronnie, I sure wasn't trying to be contentious, I was simply pointing out the details that made it a 130 instead of a 123. In the other pictures it shows the jump platform, wind deflector and round windows that also identifies it as a 130. C-123s didn't have any of those things and their windows were rectangular. Many times it is hard trying to identify an aircraft from the inside so you look for the little things. By the way, did you know that the C-123 was initially designed as a glider? I know Rolf I wasn't either. I totally agree with you. Once I looked at the entire picture it was plain to see that it was a C130. I just glanced at the photo and for whatever reason I saw the box car. Man you have a great day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
63 RECON Posted March 16, 2017 Share #86 Posted March 16, 2017 Aug. 15, 1965: National guardsmen, with bayonet fixed, take up position at Atlantic Blvd. and Anaheim St., Long Beach to enforce curfew order. The Watts Riots violence spilled over into Long Beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 16, 2017 Share #87 Posted March 16, 2017 Aug. 15, 1965: National guardsmen, with bayonet fixed, take up position at Atlantic Blvd. and Anaheim St., Long Beach to enforce curfew order. The Watts Riots violence spilled over into Long Beach. Seems that units of the Cal NG, namely the old 40th Armd Div, got there hands on Leaf Pattern Covers, making them unique, as the NG of the 60s wore no covers. See posts # 1488 trough # 1503, looks for sure like these guys in those photos are wearing Brown side out Leaf Covers, while the ones at the riots save the one with the Para Camo Cover, are wearing their's Green side out http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/77202-patches-in-action-photos-of-ssi-being-worn-by-the-troops/page-60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e19 Posted March 16, 2017 Share #88 Posted March 16, 2017 Seems that units of the Cal NG, namely the old 40th Armd Div, got there hands on Leaf Pattern Covers, making them unique, as the NG of the 60s wore no covers. NG SF Groups wore pot covers in the 1960s. I can't imagine that no other units did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 17, 2017 Share #89 Posted March 17, 2017 NG SF Groups wore pot covers in the 1960s. I can't imagine that no other units did Would agree with that given the nature of the NG/USAR SF, but as far as all the rest of the Reserve components of the 60s! Here's but one foto of many at Kent State, only two from this foto are wearing covers, and this being May 1970 as you know, even still armed with M1 Garands and M2 Carbines. Fotos from the 60s show only plain helmets, some with camo band, most without, with a scattering of duck hunter/para camo covers with in some cases burlap. It is the most curious thing, NG and Reserves just didn't get this stuff, M14 Rifles in example, so far what I've found, it seems only the Alaska NG Eskimo Scouts and select units of the District of Columbia NG got the M14 Rifle in the 60s. Army Reserve, by 1968 it seems they got covers and M14s, though that might of been only those three Combat Infantry Brigades. the 157th, 187th and 205th Infantry Brigades (Separate), all the rest of the reserve, no covers and M1s and carbines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 15, 2017 Share #90 Posted June 15, 2017 Another German with a U.S. Para Camo cover, either Italy of France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 22, 2017 Share #91 Posted November 22, 2017 Sporting a Para Camo Cover, A Major or a Lieutenant Colonel of an unknown unit in France, maybe Normandy, maybe further East/Northeast towards the end of the summer. Hey those townspeople look kind of mean, maybe this officer swiped that bread under his arm, and they want it back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
63 RECON Posted November 22, 2017 Share #92 Posted November 22, 2017 No ID but that pic is from this lot http://www.maisybattery.com/the-americans-arrive-in-grandcamp-and-maisy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted November 22, 2017 Share #93 Posted November 22, 2017 Here are American troops wearing parachute silk covers on their helmets at Oxford, MS in 1962. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 23, 2017 Share #94 Posted November 23, 2017 No ID but that pic is from this lot http://www.maisybattery.com/the-americans-arrive-in-grandcamp-and-maisy/ Ah Ha, Normandy then, thanks 63, this photo we posted was one floating around by itself. Also great photos from that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted December 8, 2017 Share #95 Posted December 8, 2017 36th ID GI, San Pietro area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G Posted December 9, 2017 Share #96 Posted December 9, 2017 Hey did the Marines aboard the Battleships and Cruisers off Normandy have their Camo Covers unique to the Corps? Don't think ships detachments of WWII had them issued, would this be correct? I've often wondered exactly how shipboard Marines were outfitted in the European Theater. A great question. Love to know the answer. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmaher55 Posted December 18, 2017 Share #97 Posted December 18, 2017 Here's one I had years ago..... Long sold it off. Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmaher55 Posted December 18, 2017 Share #98 Posted December 18, 2017 ...more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted December 18, 2017 Share #99 Posted December 18, 2017 Really nice looking set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken88 Posted December 25, 2017 Share #100 Posted December 25, 2017 Picture of an alleged 1st infantry division soldier in Normandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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