Discussing brooches on China Service medal

[Navy Dan]

Hello everyone,

I just picked this up and would like your opinions please I'm not 100% sure on it.It came with the NNC pin inside the box.The medal is rim numbered with no prefix.

Thanks

Dan

[Navy Dan]

pics

[arclight]

It looks legit to me! Been looking to get one of those numbered ones for myself, but haven't found one yet. I did see a China medal of the same style, with a 3 digit rim number, with the middle digit offset just like yours. Very nice!

G

[Teamski]

Yeah, it looks really good. According to TCOD, the pre-WWII Marine issues were the only ones numbered, and were not prefixed. The Marines numbered the medals, not the mint.

 

-Ski

[FrankEaton01]

As Teamski pointed out, the rim number is not official. Also, the ribbon has been replaced and the brooch is not the correct type used by the US Mint.

[bobgee]

As Teamski pointed out, the rim number is not official. Also, the ribbon has been replaced and the brooch is not the correct type used by the US Mint.

 

 

.......DITTO..........Bobgee

[USMCR79]

.......DITTO..........Bobgee

 

 

I agree

 

Bill

[Teamski]

As Teamski pointed out, the rim number is not official. Also, the ribbon has been replaced and the brooch is not the correct type used by the US Mint.

 

 

Good eye. The brooch looks like an earlier one as used on the Haitian Campaign medal.

 

-Ski

[USMCR79]

Most common on WWI Victory medals, the 1919 Haiti would have a whitehead and hoag trademark

 

Bill

[Navy Dan]

THANKS to ALL !!!!

I just got off the phone with the gentleman and he said he will stand behind the medal and refund my money. This is a lesson to all NEVER !!!! let the excitement of the find over ride your GUT!!!

Thanks again for the opinions and help.

Dan

[SA1794]

So what type brooch would be on a WWII issue China Service Medal?

[USMCR79]

So what type brooch would be on a WWII issue China Service Medal?

 

Same broach on the Yangtze medal

 

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=30918

 

Bill

[USMCR79]

THANKS to ALL !!!!

I just got off the phone with the gentleman and he said he will stand behind the medal and refund my money. This is a lesson to all NEVER !!!! let the excitement of the find over ride your GUT!!!

Thanks again for the opinions and help.

Dan

 

 

How deep were you into it, the box was period and the NNC insignia was nice!!

 

Bill

[KASTAUFFER]

The early USN contract China Service medal had a US MINT wrap brooch and a ring top. The brooch is wrong on this one ( looks like a WWII US Army air medal brooch). Someone definately really screwed this one up by stamping a number on it. Only the ring top USMC versions are numbered.

 

Kurt

[arclight]

It looks legit to me! Been looking to get one of those numbered ones for myself, but haven't found one yet. I did see a China medal of the same style, with a 3 digit rim number, with the middle digit offset just like yours. Very nice!

G

 

 

Well, I feel like a know-nothing-know-it-all! Nonetheless, this was a very big opportunity for me, since I could very well have gone for this one myself! Comparining these pics and the info here from other members with some pics from another non-messed with Marine Corps China medal I've been eyeing, the differences do clearly jump out. The pin, hinge and catch that are affixed to the broach are silver or grayish in color on an original one, right? But I did not notice a Whitehead Hoag hallmark on either. Does anyone have a closeup pic of this hallmark on a China Svc they could post? Did W-H do all of the contracts, Marines included (Can't lay my hands on any of my references at the moment)?

 

Thanks,

 

G

[Teamski]

Well, I feel like an rump! Nonetheless, this was a very big opportunity for me. Comparining these pics and the info here from other members with some pics from another non-messed with Marine Corps China medal I've been eyeing, the differences do clearly jump out. The pin, hinge and catch that are affixed to the broach are silver or grayish in color on an original one, right? But I did not notice a Whitehead Hoag hallmark on either. Does anyone have a closeup pic of this hallmark on a China Svc they could post? Did W-H do all of the contracts, Marines included (Can't lay my hands on any of my references at the moment)?

 

Thanks,

 

G

 

 

You and me both. The Call of Duty mentions that the Haitian medal came with and without the Hoag hallmarks. No substitute for looking at the real thing, I guess.

 

-Ski

[KurtA]

Well, I feel like a know-nothing-know-it-all! Nonetheless, this was a very big opportunity for me, since I could very well have gone for this one myself! Comparining these pics and the info here from other members with some pics from another non-messed with Marine Corps China medal I've been eyeing, the differences do clearly jump out. The pin, hinge and catch that are affixed to the broach are silver or grayish in color on an original one, right? But I did not notice a Whitehead Hoag hallmark on either. Does anyone have a closeup pic of this hallmark on a China Svc they could post? Did W-H do all of the contracts, Marines included (Can't lay my hands on any of my references at the moment)?

 

Thanks,

 

G

Only the 1919 Haitian brooch has that hallmark. And, it's not visible on all of those.

Kurt

[Navy Dan]

How deep were you into it, the box was period and the NNC insignia was nice!!

 

Bill

Bill,

What is your opinion on a price for the box and the NNC pin. Then I can evaluate weather to keep them and just scratch the medal so it does not go any further in the collecting field.

Here is a pic of one I got years ago from ebay for cheap. It is a later issue but came in the box with some misc. merchant marine items. Notice the smaller size of the box and the " " marks above the china service.

Dan

[Navy Dan]

reverse

[USMCR79]

Bill,

What is your opinion on a price for the box and the NNC pin. Then I can evaluate weather to keep them and just scratch the medal so it does not go any further in the collecting field.

Here is a pic of one I got years ago from ebay for cheap. It is a later issue but came in the box with some misc. merchant marine items. Notice the smaller size of the box and the " " marks above the china service.

Dan

 

 

Well, bottom line it looks like someone screwed up a good prewar china service (note the "milling" on the edge), if it was just an unnumbered planchet I'd say it was worth $25.00, the box is worth $10.00, the ribbon and broach is worth $5.00 and the NNC pin is worth $25.00.

 

I would pay (if I wanted it) around 40 to 45 dollars, any more than that is not worth dealing with.

 

Bill

[Navy Dan]

Well, bottom line it looks like someone screwed up a good prewar china service (note the "milling" on the edge), if it was just an unnumbered planchet I'd say it was worth $25.00, the box is worth $10.00, the ribbon and broach is worth $5.00 and the NNC pin is worth $25.00.

 

I would pay (if I wanted it) around 40 to 45 dollars, any more than that is not worth dealing with.

 

Bill

Thanks Bill,

I appreciate your opinion and I will be sending back I agree its not worth dealing with. It was worth the education .

Dan