topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 29, 2010 I hope that this series of posts becomes a useful tool as I see often that the myth of the lady who signed her sailors patch still is active in collecting circles. The lady pictured is off of an early 20's wrapper from from rating badges made by the Liona or Lion brothers company, the patches in these envelopes were produced for those middies that were so popular with the ladies especially after WW1. These rates were identical in construction to the patches sold to sailors but with different color combinations and I think in some casses totally identical, these patches are also the source of some of the so called CPO jumpers on ebay and the antique malls. The yellow tag dates from the late 40's or early 50's and pretty much explain the myth of the lovely Liona's signature. Also posted are other liona examples and other styles, I cannot put togather an exhaustive or comprehensive work and it is my hope that other collectors will fill in any gaps. I look forward to seeing were this goes and what others have to share from thier collections and hopefully getting this pinned as a reference. V/R John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #2 Posted January 29, 2010 Complete wrapper and a double signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted January 29, 2010 1940's 50's label and a liona shield cut patch WW1 or earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted January 29, 2010 Gemsco on white and blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted January 29, 2010 Gemsco printed on back of a 1920's bullion CPO and several NYEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted January 29, 2010 Several plain dates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted January 29, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 29, 2010 Vanguard -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted January 29, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 29, 2010 An embroidered rating in the original celophane with a printed date. -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted January 29, 2010 Nice rate, I found mine. It was debated for years about these really being dates or stock numbers. I believe they are dated from that year if you look closely at the chevrons you will see they differ from the embriodery used from the 50's onward. I also have a Torpedomans mate 2cl of the same construction on a custom tailored jumper with a wool service stripe and a PT shoulder patch which dates from 44-47. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted January 29, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 29, 2010 Nice rate, I found mine. It was debated for years about these really being dates or stock numbers. I believe they are dated from that year if you look closely at the chevrons you will see they differ from the embriodery used from the 50's onward. I also have a Torpedomans mate 2cl of the same construction on a custom tailored jumper with a wool service stripe and a PT shoulder patch which dates from 44-47. John I got several of these at the Allentown show last year. A guy had a box of them, so I grabbed one of each. The celophane was coming off of some of the rates, so they were definately old stock. -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted January 29, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 29, 2010 Wolf Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 29, 2010 I do not collect rates, but have several hundred (go figure!). Anyway, here are some of my marked ones. I wonder how early we can find a dated rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 29, 2010 Printed at the top of the rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 29, 2010 Woven into the rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #15 Posted January 29, 2010 This one is marked with an anchor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 29, 2010 Stamped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 29, 2010 Marked with just a "C" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 29, 2010 1941 dated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 29, 2010 1943 dated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 29, 2010 A couple dated 1944 rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #21 Posted January 29, 2010 Marked with "NY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #22 Posted January 29, 2010 Woven into the rate [ Is this one of those Australian made Bevo patches?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #23 Posted January 29, 2010 It sure is all bevo. Is it Australian made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted January 29, 2010 Share #24 Posted January 29, 2010 It sure is all bevo. Is it Australian made? Yes, That's what I was told or read some where Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted January 29, 2010 Share #25 Posted January 29, 2010 COOL! Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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