navyman Posted January 29, 2010 Share #26 Posted January 29, 2010 Contract Dated Navy rates 1937-1945 I'm not sure what maker the C stands for or if that's what it represents, I heard that the anchor stands for the maker naval clothing factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted January 29, 2010 Share #27 Posted January 29, 2010 Lion Brothers pre ww2 rate has maker emblem and has Liona sewn in the back of the rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted February 2, 2010 Share #28 Posted February 2, 2010 Contract Dated Navy rates 1937-1945 I'm not sure what maker the C stands for or if that's what it represents, I heard that the anchor stands for the maker naval clothing factory Dated rates also covered in this thread: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=22885 -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted February 7, 2010 Share #29 Posted February 7, 2010 Here's a link that shows middies. There are two middies that have regulation rating badges and another example that shows the more commonly seen different color chevrons. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...&hl=navyman Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zljones Posted October 14, 2010 Share #30 Posted October 14, 2010 I have some examples of WW1 era rates that are for the white uniform, I also have two middies, one being a CPO master-at-arms the other being a CPO quartermaster. The quartermaster CPO's chevrons, rating, and eagle are all gold. The master at arms appears to be authorized colors (got them from fur trader on ebay). Both of these come in the same exact bag John showed in the picture. I have sat down and compared my middie master at arms CPO to my other authorized white uniform rates from the 1910s and 1920s and one thing I noticed, that I would like to add, it seems like the cloth of the middies feels stiffer than the cloth of my authentic ones. I do not know if I am on to something here but it seems like the fabric is different too not just the colors. Maybe that can help tell the difference also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zljones Posted October 14, 2010 Share #31 Posted October 14, 2010 It should be rememered that Navy uniforms in that day were worn every day and hand washed pretty often. Oh ok that explains it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zljones Posted October 14, 2010 Share #32 Posted October 14, 2010 actually I just looked my rating over again and some of the ones I have are in their original package but there was a slight tear in the collephane, I was able to feel the fabric and it still feels softer than the middies I have. Everything else I have is uncut, so I don't think they went through the wash ever. It does seem like middies are made of a firmer fabric possibly of lower quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zljones Posted October 15, 2010 Share #33 Posted October 15, 2010 actually I just looked my rating over again and some of the ones I have are in their original package but there was a slight tear in the collephane, I was able to feel the fabric and it still feels softer than the middies I have. Everything else I have is uncut, so I don't think they went through the wash ever. It does seem like middies are made of a firmer fabric possibly of lower quality. I would like to ammend what I said, I am reading John Stacey's book a second time, just read that uncut was worn prior to cut until the 1930s, so I cannot use my uncuts for comparison; however, my ratings still in the original cellophane (with slight tears in the cellophane) still feel like a softer fabric than my middies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted March 16, 2013 Share #34 Posted March 16, 2013 I just received this one in the mail. I just threw a bid on it, as it looked nice and old. There was no photo of the reverse in the Ebay listing. As it is bullion, I was very surprised to see the Lion Brothers/Liona stitching on the reverse. It's very common on a standard non-bullion rate to have this stitching, but I have to say this is the first bullion rate like this I have come across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted March 16, 2013 Share #35 Posted March 16, 2013 What is the earliest dated rate patch and when did they stop dating them? I see a 1937 in post #26 and I have a 1938. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted March 17, 2013 Share #36 Posted March 17, 2013 I just received this one in the mail. I just threw a bid on it, as it looked nice and old. There was no photo of the reverse in the Ebay listing. As it is bullion, I was very surprised to see the Lion Brothers/Liona stitching on the reverse. It's very common on a standard non-bullion rate to have this stitching, but I have to say this is the first bullion rate like this I have come across. Kurt, Nice catch, and the examples I seen with the double stiching of Liona are pre ww2. There are a number of examples in this thread. But I don't remember seeing one in bullion before. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted March 22, 2013 Share #37 Posted March 22, 2013 What is the earliest dated rate patch and when did they stop dating them? I see a 1937 in post #26 and I have a 1938. I don't own one dated 1936, but have seen them. 1936-46 are what I've always believed to be the case. I have seen a 1948, but not a 1947. I've seen 1943 embroidered, ink stamped and in BEVO style. I believe the 1943 "ink stamped" rates were a test run and produced by Blumburg. I mentioned these dates to John Stacey and he said he'd seen an early 1950s dated rating badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share #38 Posted December 21, 2013 I have posted this elsewhere but it fits here. USN/USCG Female 1948 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted January 14, 2014 Share #39 Posted January 14, 2014 1st '48 I've actually seen. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted January 14, 2014 Share #40 Posted January 14, 2014 Actually, seems like '47 I've missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted August 19, 2016 Share #41 Posted August 19, 2016 I guess this is the right thread to put this one in. I am not really a cloth guy and was surprised to see a date on the reverse. Came in a group of Coast Guard SMC stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted August 19, 2016 Share #42 Posted August 19, 2016 Closer on the date: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTI1610 Posted September 24, 2016 Share #43 Posted September 24, 2016 The year stitched into the back of rates is relatively common. Dated rates in my collection range from 1939 to 1949, with the overwhelming majority clustered at 1943 and 1944. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 25, 2016 Share #44 Posted September 25, 2016 I believe the date is the date of the contract date for those items, not the date it was manufactured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Ragan Posted September 25, 2016 Share #45 Posted September 25, 2016 I believe the date is the date of the contract date for those items, not the date it was manufactured. Steve is right, it's the contract date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Rally Posted August 15, 2018 Share #46 Posted August 15, 2018 I just received this one in the mail. I just threw a bid on it, as it looked nice and old. There was no photo of the reverse in the Ebay listing. As it is bullion, I was very surprised to see the Lion Brothers/Liona stitching on the reverse. It's very common on a standard non-bullion rate to have this stitching, but I have to say this is the first bullion rate like this I have come across. Navy CPO fr.jpgNavy CPO Rv.jpg I am wondering if this was a standard CPO rating badge made by Lion Brothers and then updated with bullion? Regardless, it is very cool to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share #47 Posted August 16, 2018 I am wondering if this was a standard CPO rating badge made by Lion Brothers and then updated with bullion? Regardless, it is very cool to see! Pretty sure this was just part of the process of MFR a rate patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Minton Posted December 2, 2018 Share #48 Posted December 2, 2018 This is a great thread, though it just occurred to me in almost nine years nobody has posted a rate with tags? I assume they are quite uncommon as I only have two, and have come across a very small number since I have been collecting. This Quartermaster, Aviation (1918-21) has what appears to be a tag intended to be removed prior to use. I bought this patch on eBay based on a photo of the front. As this patch is hard enough to find already, discovering the tag was an added bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Minton Posted December 2, 2018 Share #49 Posted December 2, 2018 Front of Lion Brothers tagged Quartermaster, Aviation 1c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Minton Posted December 2, 2018 Share #50 Posted December 2, 2018 My second is a Gemsco tagged Buglemaster 1c (1927-41). The date range is based on it being right facing, though the specialty mark was eliminated in 1948. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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