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[Hello. As I said when I posted some pictures on the enlisted side, I don't know a lot about EGAs yet but would like to post a couple pictures of a pair of Marine officer EGAs for whatever comment others might care to make. The officer this uniform came from served in WW-II and again in the Korean War. The uniform is dated WW-II but it is the same uniform, and in the same confuguration he wore in 1951. I have a couple other close-ups but will have to post them in a follow-on.

 

 

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Cheers; Bill

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Here's the close-ups. The Marine removed the stabilizing pins from the back of both eagles; this was done deliberately for some reason, they are not just broken off. I only removed one from the collar EGAs since they are a matched set and the other one has identical markings on the back.

 

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Yes indeed the real thing! These H&H were likely the most often found and popular of the 1937 series emblems for dress or service uniforms in WW2.

 

The back should look like or very similiar to those in this post from Gary:

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...ost&p=37664

 

These are choice period originals with modest & honest wear and certainly most appropriate for this uniform. thumbsup.gif



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Can anyone confirm this for me? it seems to me that in matched pairs of the M37 H&H style dress emblem (not H&H Imperial style), that the screw post on one bird is shorter than the other. I had a pair of mismatched WWII emblems and thought maybe they were two different sets. However, I recently received a pair of H&H Viking versions that I believe have been together from the start, and noticed the same thing. Any of you guys with matched pairs you know have stayed together confirm or deny this? Is this the norm, or have I just kept stumbling upon mismatched sets?


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LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
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Good question, gave it some thought this morning and looked at those I think are matched sets - or began life together, only one pair had mis-matched posts out of four. So I'm only guessing, you are coming up with more than usual? Logic or reason would offer three plausible explanations, 1) it was discovered the long post where pushing the collar tab too far off the blouse and posts from then on were shorter? 2) Or the war-time precious medals act (and how much medal could this change save...) and posts were shorter. 3) The maker got cheap with materials. This question is like the eternal roller question - one size fits all. :whistling:

s/f Darrell



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here are some pics to better explain. Now I have other pairs of these birds with the same problem, however they came to me as singles. These came to me as a pair, I felt at the time they were lifetime matches as seller was not a collector/dealer. Was I mistaken, or perhaps these were paired when H&H was in the middle of switching post lengths?

 

Also, when did we conclude Viking hallmarks were used? In the 50s prior to SER numbers?

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-Brig
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"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
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Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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and the posts

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-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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I for one have always this hallmark an enigma. Gary and I had a phon con one day on the topic and we never met or arrived at any conclutions. I fell they came about at the end of WW2... my 2 cents are on these: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...6&hl=VIKING

 

And as fo the posts... :dunno:



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Here's a dumb question.... Is it possible that they used the same dies for both dress and service emblems? Reason I ask is this: Are the longer-posted versions the ones where the anchors point down and left (the left side emblems as you wear them on the uniform/right side as you look at them)? If so, is it possible they used the same dies that were intended for the piss cutter, hence the longer post?

 

Just curious.......

 

 

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officer dress emblems are substantially larger than service...different dies


-Brig
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"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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Have an interesting dilemma. I've had a fistful of singles of the classic H&H officer dress, SER Korean marked emblems. One emblem seems to have a large 'H&H' mark than the other side. You guys with lifetime matched sets...if this how they all are? Is this considered a match, or are there two slight varients?

 

I would have assumed a match, except I have both sized markings WWII non-SER dress emblems, however I have a pair of one size, and a single of the other. Are there two varients of H&H sizes for both sides of these style emblems?

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-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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I would have assumed a match, except I have both sized markings WWII non-SER dress emblems, however I have a pair of one size, and a single of the other. Are there two varients of H&H sizes for both sides of these style emblems?

 

 

Hummm, I'm going to dig into the bird's net and take a look :think: Interesting...



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Have an interesting dilemma. I've had a fistful of singles of the classic H&H officer dress, SER Korean marked emblems. One emblem seems to have a large 'H&H' mark than the other side. You guys with lifetime matched sets...if this how they all are? Is this considered a match, or are there two slight varients?

 

I would have assumed a match, except I have both sized markings WWII non-SER dress emblems, however I have a pair of one size, and a single of the other. Are there two varients of H&H sizes for both sides of these style emblems?

 

Brig,

 

I have looked at all of my sets ( I know them to be true sets) and your observation seems to be correct. The left collar (as you wear it) is larger than the right side collar emblem markings. An interesting observation never noticed it before. I haven't noticed a smaller marking on the left collar or vice versa but I will look more closely in the future.

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which is interesting, because I have a matched set of WWII era with large, and a single with the small

 

thanks for looking at them, exactly what I was looking for, lifetime match analysis!


-Brig
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RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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interestingly enough, I found the difference on 2 of the WWII Sterling cover emblems as well. What would possess them to make such a minute change? Or just different dies?

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-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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also, I noticed the ropes are different, one has a tighter twist. does anyone think this would be a variation, or am I just being too anal?

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-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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