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Saw this item for sale for $28, marked S.F.CO. 6-42

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Can anyone tell me what it is? Thanks.

 

Spare parts pouch for BAR automatic rifle

This pouch is usauly placed in the BAR Clip BELT in lieu and place of 2 magazines

 

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WOODS NOW U.S MARINE CORPS ENTIRELY, our lines include now the entire Bois de Belleau. Signed, Major Shearer "Skipper" 5Th Marines, 3rd Bat - June 25th 1918

 

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Artu, that is a great looking rig. If your BAR accessory box is WW1 dated can you take better pics and add it to the reference thread please.

 

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Also used/issued with Thompson SMG. later replaced with a small cloth "pokey" bag with drawstring.

 

I found this info in the fifth book / manual on the Thompson that I looked at. I did stop the search after finding this. I found one book that showed a photo of the M1918 leather box but there was no spare parts layout like what was done for the BAR. Maybe the earlier manuals for the Thompson showed a layout but those are before my area of interest. I thought DEC, 1941 was a pretty good date for a TSMG manual.

 

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IMHO the M1918 leather box mentioned in the thompson manual can be only the one of the BAR cause obviously it cannot be a box dedicate for the tommygun otherwise it would have named as M1927. Even dimensions are the same.

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Yes that is correct. It is the M1918 leather accessory box and it was issued with both the BAR and the TSMG. I found a pic of it in one TSMG book but that was all, no parts layout or contents list. The mention in the TSMG manual was the only details I could find.

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This is my WWI M1918 leather BAR case. During my ebay watching I've spotted also cases marked G&K 1918. The page of the original 1918 manual indicates the content of this case. I think to find today WWI inner fabric pouches would be a mission impossible.

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We found one of these in a local woods where the 79th ID were stationed prior to D Day. For something that's been in the ground for 60 + years, it was in remarkable condition. The only contents were a magazine loader and a combination reamer tool.

 

May try and get some photo's of it if possible.

 

Thanks,

 

Jon

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Thanks for bumping this topic, lots of useful info here.

 

My grandfather gave my brother a leather box full of foreign currency and until recently, I didn't realize that box was the one shown above. Unfortunately the box and it's contents are now gone but I'm hoping to replace the box and that memory.

Always looking for 9th Armored Division items!

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Here is some accessories for BAR 1918 & 1918 A2, it's one of my favorite collection subject :)

 

Firstly the two model of WWII bipod for BAR 1918A2.

To the right the earlier model, developed at Springfield armory in 1938, the lower leg was thinner and telescoped within the upper leg.

To the left the later model, adopted under OCM 23850 dated may 18, 1944, modified for easier adjustment of the legs. The lower leg is the thicker tube and telescoped over the upper, thinner leg. This later model came very late in ETO ( he wasn't in Normandy landing June 6, 1944)

 

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Here is one part of my BAR 1918 A2 bipods collection.

To the top line the earlier model and under the later model

 

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Here is some "spare parts case" from WWI and WWII

 

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Some WWII Canvas Tool Roll M12 with "fabric container small for recoil spring"

 

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BAR Magazine, never opened, in wrap paper with manufacter name,....

 

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The two model of "combination tool" : to the left the WWI model (1918) and to the right the WWII model (1918 A2)

 

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The "Gas cylinder cleaning tool" ( go in leather spare parts case )

 

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The "magazine filler" ( go in leather spare parts case )

 

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The "Butt Stocks"... two 1944 Firestone model. ( I crack one during reenactment, the lower )

 

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The "T4 carrying handle" adopted in december 1944.

 

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I have again other parts or accessories but I must take photos.

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Duty First -

 

Great post. I've written a little bit about different BAR parts with a focus on reenactors. Specifically I have examined Bipods, the Carry Handle as well as Gas Regulators. USMF members may find the articles to be of use.

 

Bipods-

http://90thidpg.us/Equipment/Articles/BARBipod/

 

Carry Handle-

http://90thidpg.us/Equipment/Articles/BARGas/

 

Gas Regulators-

http://90thidpg.us/Equipment/Articles/BARHandle/

 

I also have a piece on BAR Buttstocks compiled by Mr Knott.

http://90thidpg.us/Equipment/Articles/BARStocks/index.html

 

And a companion piece on Wood vs Plastic buttstock usage - http://90thidpg.us/Equipment/Articles/BARStocks2/index.html

 

 

I was curious about your bipods, specifically if any of the "early" ones with the two piece heads were maker marked? I'm curious if any of the two piece heads are New England Small Arms or IBM marked - and if the finish and wear are consistent with them being as "factory produced". This may help me change my understanding of how early the two piece bipod head my have appeared.

 

While Mr Ballou's book on the BAR is voluminous, there is quite a bit of information still to be documented and disseminated.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Chris-

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Was just rereading this post and realized I have two of these pouches. Moving then over to my BAR equipment. Thanks Robert

 

 

Those pouches show up in the SNL for several weapons as an accessory pouch.A quick look shows them listed for the M1 Rifle for one as well as the BAR and the Browning MGs.

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Ok Greaser

 

I think the same things about Balou's Book, very good book, but some little details are missing.

I gonna send you pictures, but not for now, because my US WWII collection is not where I live actually. As soon as possible , I take pictures for you.

 

I have two Winchester WWI BAR, A2 modified by Springfield Armory before WWII ( one have a WWI dated barrel).

I have 6 early bipods and I can say that normaly the early "two pieces head bipod" I have, are all WWII period, because I found them on the battlefield in France, in searching in american position, I find them in what was a foxhole. They must be New England marked if I remember.

 

Here is other BAR WWI and WWII accesories and parts...

 

WWI case for BAR 1918. Manufactured by K-T- Co. in october 1918.

 

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The rear sight for BAR 1918 A2. This is not the same than the Browning cal.30 LMG.

The BAR sight are calibrated to 1500 yards and for the Browning cal.30 LMG the sight is calibrated to 2400 yard.

 

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The sight covers for BAR 1918A2, who was frequently removed by BAR man.

 

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The gas cylinder tube retaining pin ( to the left) and the trigger guard retaining pin ( to the right), two essentials pieces for dissassembly the BAR.

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Those pouches show up in the SNL for several weapons as an accessory pouch.A quick look shows them listed for the M1 Rifle for one as well as the BAR and the Browning MGs.

 

They were also an accessory pouch for the Thompson.

 

David Albert

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One of the "Other Authors" of "The Ultimate Thompson Book," by Tracie L. Hill
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Does anybody have a list of the tools which would have been included in the M12 Tool Roll, for a BAR? Understand there may be some overlap with other weapons, but I'm really looking for the BAR-specific tools. I don't see anything specific in Ballou's book.

 

Thanks,

Steve

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Thankyou DutyFirst.....may i just confirm that the M12 tool roll is for the BAR...i am the proud new owner of a 6/44 barrel dated New England Small Arms BAR and now again want to start collecting all the parts and accesories again.....i sold mine 5 years ago and regretted it ever since....now a "new" one has come home to daddy...:-)

 

Any help welcomed.

 

Regards

 

Lloyd

What do you need another one of those for.....you have 6 of them already ?.........

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my girlfriend to me on a regular basis as another piece of US WW2 "Green stuff" aka militaria arrives in the post..:-)

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Maybe a little late to the party here, but can anyone here recommend some sources where I can find early BAR components (WW1 M1918)? I tried BMG and am familiar with Winchester way and gun broker. Wondering if there is somewhere else you might recommend?

Thanks

Matt

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