crater Posted December 15, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 15, 2009 Hi need help with this United States Army For Service Indian Wars Medal Real or Fake? Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0811gysgt Posted December 15, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 15, 2009 What is on the edge? Is there an edge number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainofthe7th Posted December 15, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 15, 2009 You may want to watch out...the zig zag pattern on the ribbon appears on most modern ribbons. I don't think any pre-1960s ribbons or medals had this zig-zag cut. They used a straight cut. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crater Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted December 15, 2009 On the edge 2030 F.M BAKER I tried taking pics and can't focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0811gysgt Posted December 15, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 15, 2009 You may have an original planchet, but possibly a fake ribbon. Some of the edge numbering and naming has been faked extensively on these in the past. There were only 250 of these that were plain numbered. The numbers were 2001-2250, so your number does fall within that range. If you can get a better pic of the numbering that would help make the determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0811gysgt Posted December 15, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 15, 2009 The numbering should be at the six O'Clock position. Not sure that your is based on the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLENG Posted December 15, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 15, 2009 Hi, the strike does not look as sharp as it should for a US Mint strike. Also, I believe the number should be at the 6 oclock position on the rim and the engraving, from what I can see, does not appear to be period engraving. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0811gysgt Posted December 15, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 15, 2009 Agree... The engraving doesn't look right for that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siling Posted December 15, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 15, 2009 Hi need help with this United States Army For Service Indian Wars Medal Real or Fake? Thanks, First impression - Medal dates from this period... Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crater Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted December 24, 2009 thanks for the info, here's some pics of the edge, the name is between six and 8 o'clock, the number between 9 and 10 o'clock, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted December 24, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 24, 2009 The planchet appears to be an older strike – it has an "inner border ring" just inside the wide border of the planchet (newer strikes don’t typically have that) and the wire suspension ring is typical of an older medal. I don’t think a cast copy would have such a well-done suspension ring on it. I think the poor detail of the medal is primarily due to wear. The ribbon is certainly a new replacement, but that isn’t a huge factor in the evaluation of the planchet, as I would expect a medal showing a lot of wear not to have the original ribbon. It’s quite possible this is an old un-numbered replacement medal the vet obtained and had his original medal number stamped on it. I would think if this medal was numbered and named with the intent to monetarily enhance the medal and deceive a collector, the number would have been placed in the correct location on the planchet (i.e., 6 o’clock). Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted December 24, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 24, 2009 I think the entire medal might be fake. It looks artificially aged and I dont like the strike. Look between the A and the N in Indian. There is a blob of metal between the letters. The numbering is fake too. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaxx Posted October 15, 2021 Share #13 Posted October 15, 2021 Hi Fellas, Wondering If I'm gonna be able to verify this. Can you help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warroom1 Posted October 15, 2021 Share #14 Posted October 15, 2021 looks great to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCR79 Posted October 15, 2021 Share #15 Posted October 15, 2021 Mno. Medals are not on any rolls - only No. Medals. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaxx Posted October 15, 2021 Share #16 Posted October 15, 2021 so then I wont be able to find a hero to go with this. what kind of value does it have then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warroom1 Posted October 15, 2021 Share #17 Posted October 15, 2021 enjoy your medal we cant allways find and trace the name you have a great medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warroom1 Posted October 15, 2021 Share #18 Posted October 15, 2021 i have made a mistake i would ask mmcolector to look at it or called jeff flyod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaxx Posted October 16, 2021 Share #19 Posted October 16, 2021 not sure what you mean. I did how ever get more medals from source. not really sureif they are relivant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCR79 Posted October 16, 2021 Share #20 Posted October 16, 2021 Collecting medals is an interesting hobby but it takes time to develop the knowledge needed in order to find exactly what you want. Speaking with established dealers like Jeff Floyd or Steve Ackley will go a long way to help you find what you are looking for. Your Indian Wars is a good piece to have in your collection until you find an attributable medal I also suggest that if you are new to medal collecting you join OMSA for $20 per year and obtain a copy of "Call of Duty" by Strandburg and Bender. The medals you have are a good start to your collection - The Pacific and ETO medals appear to be US Army issued since the Navy versions have a sharp edge Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMcollector Posted October 16, 2021 Share #21 Posted October 16, 2021 This medal whether vintage or newer has been modified with the number in the incorrect location (should be at 6:00, as stated above) therefore the number was added to the location on the rim which makes it hard to date if it’s a genuine contract. We’ve seen medals in the past the fit all the characteristics of a good known contract with the number removed and engraved over with the name of the veteran, so there is a possibility the number was relocated on the rim in another location to allow the name uninterrupted. I would need higher definition photos to see what contract it came from, if any. The bail ring in my opinion looks like a 1960-1970’s Medallic Art. There’s no cut in the bail ring so it’s definitely not a U.S. Mint contract Nọ or M.Nọ from 1908-1928. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaxx Posted October 16, 2021 Share #22 Posted October 16, 2021 its at 6:00 .do these pics help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted October 16, 2021 Share #23 Posted October 16, 2021 He’s talking about the medal that started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primoris Scio Posted October 19, 2021 Share #24 Posted October 19, 2021 Zach your Indian Wars medal looks great, the stamp is genuine it has the right cut depth, you should be confident in it. If you look at the numbers 568 there are tiny aging spots on and around them revealing the numbers are original to the medal. The Yangtze Service and China Service medals are also very good, can you show a reverse photo of the Yangtze medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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