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A strange M1909 holster...

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Hello!

Just noticed on eBay this 1909 holster. The dealer honestly sells it as a reproduction, but what do you think about? Especially you, Arturo and Charlie, as experts on these holsters...

Cheers, Fausto

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Hmmm....from what I remember when I collected holsters, all true M1909 holsters were made by Rock Island Arsenal and were marked as such----- dated around the same time, 1909 or thereabouts.....I had a buddy who had a M1909 Colt with the correct holster.......

 

Aren't these WWI dated varieties actual M1917 holsters, i.e. designated as such..?


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Hello Fausto:

 

I agree with the seller. The pictured holster is a good quality reproduction.

 

There are several clues that allow us to detect that it is a reproduction, but I am reluctant to publicly identify them all here as that only allows the fakers/reproductionists to "improve" their product, to the detriment of collectors.

 

However, I will say this much. See the attached pic of one of the Model of 1909 holsters in my collection. Examine the shape of the US lettering and compare to the reproduction. There are marked differences with the repro holster having more rounded serifs and edges.

 

All of the Rock Island Arsenal Model of 1909 holsters would have been made using identical dies for the US lettering. While very minor differences might be expected between dies there would not be the variations seen here.

 

Beyond that, does the repro holster look like it is 100 years old?

 

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Everforward, yes, almost all of the USGI Model of 1909 holsters were made at RIA. However, a smaller group was also made at the Manila Ordnance Depot and are marked accordingly. The M1909 holsters made during WW1 were all made by Graton & Knight. Their proper nomenclature remained "Model of 1909", and not M1917. The latter term is often used because the Colt and S&W .45 revolvers intended to be carried in those holsters were known as Model of 1917 revolvers.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Regards,

Charlie Flick


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The holster Charlie posted is a "true" pre WWI M1909. As Charlie told there are tips to detect a modern repro and also to detect an "original" fake. The weak point of any repro is the stitching pitch and the thread quality. This secret can be told cause today no leather maker can replicate it.

BTW I have a spool of original WWI era thread.

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I know next to nothing about 1909 holsters, but I like the look of the wear on the holster and I understand that the verdigris on the rivets exposed on the rear takes a long time to develop.

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