IntotheBlue Posted October 17, 2017 Share #676 Posted October 17, 2017 I would imaging by the the mid 50's he would have received black boots. A friend of mine enlisted right out of High School (1961) and received brogans for basic and the cap toed blk boots for AP School. In 1964 we received the cap toed brogans and then I received the blk boots for AP School the only difference was they did not have the cap toe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 17, 2017 Share #677 Posted October 17, 2017 I would imaging by the the mid 50's he would have received black boots. A friend of mine enlisted right out of High School (1961) and received brogans for basic and the cap toed blk boots for AP School. In 1964 we received the cap toed brogans and then I received the blk boots for AP School the only difference was they did not have the cap toe. How about the GI combat boots say in the 53-57 period, Brown was the standard color issue boot up till the late 56-ish September 1, 1956 (ref. DA Circular 670-5, July 1956), for the Army, and unlike the Marine Corps who had their own style issue boot, as well as web gear, the Air Force used Army stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntotheBlue Posted October 17, 2017 Share #678 Posted October 17, 2017 In my research I didn't find any brown boots being issued to ground personnel however, there is a great shot of the inside of of the F-86 cockpit and the pilot was wearing beautiful brown boots. I don't think it mattered in combat. I found a pair of AF issue steel toed boots which were black and I have a pair of steel toed brogans issued to a trainee at Shepherd AFB. Neither of them had a cap toe. I should have mentioned that the welt (tread) on the brogans and boots of the 50 - 60's was a Goodyear smooth sole. The military attempted to solve several problems with leather boots. The first problem was traction. The purpose behind this was experience of trying to walk in the mud of SEA. With the older Goodyear welt the boots had a rather smooth sole. Take a couple of steps and you had ten pounds of red clay on your foot! Leather boots began to be issued (date unk, my pair is dated 1981) with a sole pattern that looked like the tread on WW2 tires! They had V shaped cuts in the sole that was supposed to push mud away from the center when you put your weight down. This was actually a return to a 1944 pattern. They called it the Panama sole because this was where it was first tested. Give credit to the designer Sergeant Raymond Dobie. When the AF later introduced the Panama sole it was not well received but the 1st issue of the actual Jungle boot had been fielded as an optional footwear. The Panama sole also was flat and could slip on flat or wet surfaces so it was back to the drawing board. The AF, alway shying away from anything that looks like "combat" after all you can't spit shine a canvas upper! The AF also wanted to solve another problem with full top boots. If you tie the lace to tight at the ankle it can cause discomfort. The answer was the "notch" boot (late 1970s into the 1980s) that was developed to attempt to alleviate the lace preassure on the front of the ankle. The sole was changed from the Panama sole. The “fix” was an attempt at a waffle or zigzag pattern. This pattern was not as aggressive as a Vibram style lug sole type which which was issued in the Jungle Boot (1970) which had its own problems. There in a nutshell is the story of the Boot Combat. Now this would have been in Chapter 15 of Into the Blue Volume 3, fatigues to the ABU IF Schiffer would print it. They declined as sales for volume 2 was slow. I tried to convince them that this was an entirely different subject but... If you can email Schiffer's and ask when volume 3 will be out it would certainly help. Lt.Col. Shulz has sugested we cut it into two volumes WW2 USAAF to the last issue BEFORE thw Woodland. Then the next volume would be camoflauge. A thought. Thanks guys who have purchased 1 and 2. Hope they helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 25, 2017 Share #679 Posted October 25, 2017 Some excellent Combat Controller 70s photos. http://www.sgtmacsbar.com/CCTPhotos/Gallery07/Assorted1970/Assorted1970.html And more, these from the 60s. http://www.cctmemorial.com/Brothers/P/Proctor_J/Memory.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 31, 2017 Share #680 Posted October 31, 2017 Major General Reverend ROBERT P. TAYLOR. Chief of Chaplains United States Air Force 1966. Gen Taylor (April 11, 1909 – February 1, 1997), in his early military career he seems to have went first to an Air Corps post, Barksdale Field, then to a ground unit, the ground-est, an Infantry unit, the 31st Infantry. Philippine Division. Captured by the Japanese, after the war he then goes back to Barksdale, then enters the new U.S.A.F. A excellent BIo on him. http://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/105393/chaplain-major-general-robert-p-taylor/ It's interesting to note that he was not awarded the Purple Heart when he was wounded, now a days the award is conferred upon a friendly fire causality, do not know when this was changed. This from the operative section on PH Criteria's. It is not intended that such a strict interpretation of the requirement for the wound or injury to be caused by direct result of hostile action be taken that it would preclude the award being made to deserving personnel. Commanders must also take into consideration the circumstances surrounding an injury, even if it appears to meet the criteria. In the case of an individual injured while making a parachute landing from an aircraft that had been brought down by enemy fire; or, an individual injured as a result of a vehicle accident caused by enemy fire, the decision will be made in favor of the individual and the award will be made. As well, individuals wounded or killed as a result of "friendly fire" in the "heat of battle" will be awarded the Purple Heart as long as the "friendly" projectile or agent was released with the full intent of inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment. Individuals injured as a result of their own negligence, such as by driving or walking through an unauthorized area known to have been mined or placed off limits or searching for or picking up unexploded munitions as war souvenirs, will not be awarded the Purple Heart as they clearly were not injured as a result of enemy action, but rather by their own negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 23, 2017 Share #681 Posted November 23, 2017 Some various photos from the 20 year career of one Joann Bolitho, USAF 1958-1978. Graduation portrait as a 2nd Lieutenant 1958. Vietnam as a Captain circa 1967 Retirement portrait as a Lieutenant Colonel 1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 23, 2017 Share #682 Posted November 23, 2017 Some various photos from the 20 year career of one Joann Bolitho, USAF 1958-1978. o-1.jpg Graduation portrait as a 2nd Lieutenant 1958. ho-2.jpg Vietnam as a Captain circa 1967 tho-3.jpg Retirement portrait as a Lieutenant Colonel 1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dag Posted November 24, 2017 Share #683 Posted November 24, 2017 ... Now this would have been in Chapter 15 of Into the Blue Volume 3, fatigues to the ABU IF Schiffer would print it. They declined as sales for volume 2 was slow. I tried to convince them that this was an entirely different subject but... If you can email Schiffer's and ask when volume 3 will be out it would certainly help. Lt.Col. Shulz has sugested we cut it into two volumes WW2 USAAF to the last issue BEFORE thw Woodland. Then the next volume would be camoflauge. A thought. Thanks guys who have purchased 1 and 2. Hope they helped. I just sent my email to Shiffer inquiring about Volume three. Somehow I missed Mr. Young's post (above) and wish I had emailed the publisher even sooner. I own (and enjoy) the first two volumes, but am looking forward most to Vol. 3 on work uniforms. I encourage everyone else even remotely interested in this subject area to also do the same and contact Shiffer to publish this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted November 24, 2017 Share #684 Posted November 24, 2017 Some various photos from the 20 year career of one Joann Bolitho, USAF 1958-1978. o-1.jpg Graduation portrait as a 2nd Lieutenant 1958. ho-2.jpg Vietnam as a Captain circa 1967 tho-3.jpg Retirement portrait as a Lieutenant Colonel 1978 Interesting that she doesn't wear the NURSE career field badge below her flight nurse wings. Every nurse should have that badge and that as an 0-5 she still has the basic Flights Nurse wings.I would have thought at least a senior or master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 25, 2017 Share #685 Posted November 25, 2017 How about the GI combat boots say in the 53-57 period, Brown was the standard color issue boot up till the late 56-ish September 1, 1956 (ref. DA Circular 670-5, July 1956), for the Army, and unlike the Marine Corps who had their own style issue boot, as well as web gear, the Air Force used Army stuff. I think it would stand to reason though that AF people directly assigned to Army combat units during the Korean War, that's in Korea, in combat 1950-53, would be wearing Army GI boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy53 Posted December 2, 2017 Share #686 Posted December 2, 2017 Interesting that she doesn't wear the NURSE career field badge below her flight nurse wings. Every nurse should have that badge and that as an 0-5 she still has the basic Flights Nurse wings.I would have thought at least a senior or master. She's wearing flight nurse wings. Isn't that enough? Gotta understand the Air Force where wings, missile badges and jump wings said it all. Of course, I'm a former SP. When I left the career field, that badge (not the shield) said it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted December 3, 2017 Share #687 Posted December 3, 2017 A great depiction of the early 50s AF (1952) and with a coca cola theme. seems back in those days the depiction of service personal (and related military themes) with the drink was most popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted December 24, 2017 Share #688 Posted December 24, 2017 Now here's a couple of Airmen outfitted as Infantry for a march or field problem of some kind, to include M1 Garands, this is in the 50s but unsure where, maybe Germany? too bad we can't tell what color their GI boots are, Brown or Black. Note too how one has his boots bloused, while the other, the Air Policeman doesn't, with this one, if you zoom really close to his boots, it seems he has a modified zipper pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted December 24, 2017 Share #689 Posted December 24, 2017 That looks a lot like our 1963 era fatigue shirt (Lackland issue), but I don't recall the buttons being covered... maybe they were though. Seems like TI Thacker was often yelling at us about our buttons, so maybe he could see them unbuttoned. This is the Air Force sage green fatique shirt. This came from the same estate as the Ike and bush jackets above: this guy enlisted in AAF in 1944 and retired from USAF in 1964 and left two trunks of uniforms spanning the years. The shirt's labels were missing but I believe this was late 1950's: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelweisse Posted February 14, 2018 Share #690 Posted February 14, 2018 Recently picked OG-107 CMSgt (E-9) Shirt/Jacket with silk Blue "US Air Force" Tape and CMSgt Stripes...name tape removed. Size: SMALL but can't read the contract label which faded. I like this type stripe vs. the current...but I guess it's me Here is the CMSgt 1963 4-Pocket service jacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 14, 2018 Share #691 Posted February 14, 2018 Recently picked OG-107 CMSgt (E-9) Shirt/Jacket with silk Blue "US Air Force" Tape and CMSgt Stripes...name tape removed. Size: SMALL but can't read the contract label which faded. I like this type stripe vs. the current...but I guess it's me Nice Non Merrowed Edge Flat edge chevrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelweisse Posted February 15, 2018 Share #692 Posted February 15, 2018 The OG-107 is a Type#1...came with trousers size: MEDIUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntotheBlue Posted February 16, 2018 Share #693 Posted February 16, 2018 I just sent my email to Shiffer inquiring about Volume three. Somehow I missed Mr. Young's post (above) and wish I had emailed the publisher even sooner. I own (and enjoy) the first two volumes, but am looking forward most to Vol. 3 on work uniforms. I encourage everyone else even remotely interested in this subject area to also do the same and contact Shiffer to publish this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntotheBlue Posted February 16, 2018 Share #694 Posted February 16, 2018 It's been a fight to publish volume three. Right now it looks like our best chance is to self-publish through Amazon. Unfortunately the product will not be the glossy large table top type finish but it will be the 11X8'1/2 soft cover like MSgt Chris Arnold's Peacekeepers series. It will still contain all of the info on the fatigues. Then we will look at the years of camouflage now up to the USAF adoption of the Army’s OCP uniform. Thanks guys, I will try to get it out as soon as I can. It’s a complicated process. Lance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntotheBlue Posted February 16, 2018 Share #695 Posted February 16, 2018 The only Fatigue shirt (AKA jacket) to have covered buttons was the Sage green issue. As seen in Bluehawk's photo above. I tried to upload a photo of a complete set of Sage Greens from Ridgeway Sage Green cap down to Sage Green trousers. The file is too big or it won't take the Tiff format. It will be in Into the Blue vol 3 when I get it printed. The sage green fatigues had a relatively short life span, although the shirt underwent one pattern change. It appears from studying QM labels of numerous shirts, trousers and field jackets, the sage green fatigue uniform began mass production in 1956. In 1957, it replaced the one and two-piece HBTs as the issued utility uniform for enlisted male personnel. At this point, the one-piece coveralls became an alternate issue utility uniform and a specialty uniform obtained through organizational issue. This is also further validated by period photos of basic trainees at Lackland AFB between 1956 and late 1959. However, within a few years a decision was made to convert to the QM Shade OG 107 (olive drab) cotton sateen fatigues being worn by the U.S. Army since 1952. In July 1959, the new OG 107 cotton sateen fatigues replaced the sage green fatigues as the issued utility uniform. The sage green fatigues remained in the inventory until July 1969 when they were phased out along with the HBTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-40Warhawk Posted February 17, 2018 Share #696 Posted February 17, 2018 Great information, I'm looking forward to the volume on work uniforms. Years ago I was given some VN era shirts, and that would help sort out what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 17, 2018 Share #697 Posted February 17, 2018 The Sage Green Fatiques being worn by Air Force Academy K-Dets 1961, from C.B. Colby's 1962 book on the Air Force Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 27, 2018 Share #698 Posted March 27, 2018 Para Rescue I presume, a Master Parachutist already at the rank of E-5, stateside I presume too, circa 1965. Nicely patched up fatique shirt on a Tech Sgt of an unknown unit, numbered 526 (any ideas on unit you Flyboys?) foto from the late 60's lets say. And this one, a recruit??? or permanent party Airman???, the fourragère, don't know if it is a French rope, can't tell if there's Red Flecking, or some kind of unit thing, a solid Green, but then I think only a Beligian fourragère was awarded to USAAF units or a unit during WWII anyway. Photo circa 1966. . Found some new ones to share. A 1964 foto, note the White tape on the one side, rather than saying as was common at this date, U S A F, it says CRASH RESCUE, and both tapes appear to be embroidered rather than the typical for the period, Stenciled/Stamped style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy53 Posted March 27, 2018 Share #699 Posted March 27, 2018 Not the fourragère. Green rope means student leader in tech school. Others were white, blue, yellow and red. I don't remember the ranking, other than a yellow rope was a class leader and blue rope was pretty much like a student commander. White was a chapel leader. There were similar "ropes" for those students held in casual status awaiting either discharge of tech school assignment. those ropes were the same colors intertwined with white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 27, 2018 Share #700 Posted March 27, 2018 Not the fourragère. Green rope means student leader in tech school. Others were white, blue, yellow and red. I don't remember the ranking, other than a yellow rope was a class leader and blue rope was pretty much like a student commander. White was a chapel leader. There were similar "ropes" for those students held in casual status awaiting either discharge of tech school assignment. those ropes were the same colors intertwined with white. Thanks flyboy, then this sort of thing had no metal finial? Certainly has the clover leaf configuration on the rear shoulder, a signature of French made fourragère's, I think there are some solid types in the Shoulder Cords Fourragère topic in main Uniforms forum, for reference, let me look around and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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