astra44 Posted November 21, 2020 Share #776 Posted November 21, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 7:03 PM, patches said: Hi @Patches --Another still from the movie showing the M/Sgt's sleeve, and examples of the service stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 21, 2020 Share #777 Posted November 21, 2020 12 hours ago, astra44 said: Great photo, and great addition showing the Silver on Khaki AF Overseas bars, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted December 14, 2020 Share #778 Posted December 14, 2020 A batch of recruits on their way to Lackland 1957 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted December 14, 2020 Share #779 Posted December 14, 2020 4 hours ago, patches said: A batch of recruits on their way to Lackland 1957 @patches Looks like they arrived OK......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted December 22, 2020 Share #780 Posted December 22, 2020 Gen. Thomas D. White with Gen. Curtis Le May, who is new Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force, most likely June 30, 1961. Note the senior NCO's wearing khaki uniforms. Generals George Kenney and Curtis Le May, former and current commanders of Strategic Air Command, in 1949. Note General Le May is wearing the Army Air Forces SSI with a STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted December 23, 2020 Share #781 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 7:52 AM, seanmc1114 said: Gen. Thomas D. White with Gen. Curtis Le May, who is new Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force, most likely June 30, 1961. Note the senior NCO's wearing khaki uniforms. note that they are also “belted” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted December 23, 2020 Share #782 Posted December 23, 2020 @easterneagle87 I think they are the USAF "bush jackets" that were worn with shorts and sun/pith helmets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted December 23, 2020 Share #783 Posted December 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, astra44 said: @easterneagle87 I think they are the USAF "bush jackets" that were worn with shorts and sun/pith helmets? That’s what I was thinking too. But since I couldn’t see the shorts, I wasn’t sure. makes total sense. Interesting they mixed and matched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 1, 2021 Share #784 Posted February 1, 2021 Lowery Air Base Colorado late 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted February 3, 2021 Share #785 Posted February 3, 2021 In a photo identified as Luke AFB, Arizona in 1952, we see officers wearing pith blue helmets and service caps including both with silver clouds and lightning bolts. The is identified as being located at Luke AFB, Arizona. The source dates this photo as 1951, but the description doesn't match what's in the picture, so I don't know for sure. I assume the white service caps and gloves identify the wearers as members of an honor guard. But notice also that the general is wearing khaki pants that are pleated and have much larger belt loops than the colonel behind him. I assume they are private purchase. The same colonel and lieutenant general shown two posts back. Note the difference in the pants. Air Force ROTC cadets in a 1952 photo Lieutenant General Robert W. Harper at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona - 1954. Note the bullion insignia and foreign ribbons. https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/106862/lieutenant-general-robert-wells-harper/ Airmen playing baseball at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona in 1951. The sergeant appears to be wearing subdued chevrons that may be iron-on. A Colonel Chapman wearing the bush jacket with ribbons and name plate. The photo credit says this is Arizona Governor Paul Fannin cutting a cake, probably during a ceremony, at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona - 1959. Note that the colonel has Command Pilot wings and two Distinguished Flying Crosses, ribbons for all three World War II theaters and for service in Korea as well, but no Air Medal ribbon. Another view of the blue pith helmet being worn by an officer at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona - 1951 A couple of officers at Luke Air Force, Arizona in 1951. The lieutenant on the right appears to be wearing Senior Pilot wings. Wouldn't it be a little unusual for someone of that rank to have earned that badge? I believe the requirements for that rating are ten years of service with 1,800 hours of flight time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 4, 2021 Share #786 Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 2:01 PM, seanmc1114 said: Airmen playing baseball at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona in 1951. The sergeant appears to be wearing subdued chevrons that may be iron-on. Stencled or expertly drawn on would be my guess Sean. Great group of recent photos by the way, love that Blue Pith Helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted February 4, 2021 Share #787 Posted February 4, 2021 I was thinking the same as @patches , that it looks like a stencil? Were subdued chevrons first seen in Vietnam era? I have an early theater-made example. (See pic.) Agreed, a great group of photos recently posted by @seanmc1114 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 4, 2021 Share #788 Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 4:52 PM, astra44 said: I was thinking the same as @patches , that it looks like a stencil? Were subdued chevrons first seen in Vietnam era? I have an early theater-made example. (See pic.) Agreed, a great group of photos recently posted by @seanmc1114 ! Yes that one you posted above is a Vietnam War example, and would not be worn in the 50s, no insignia of this subdued type were worn then. This Air Force NCOs rank has to be either a stencil or drawn on. The Air Force being a new branch, and with new rank insignia, is in this case, just following the fashion of the day where some Marines and to a lesser extant, the Army, and stenciling or drawing on rank insignia on their HBT items. Here's an example of an Army Man, Master Sergeant Fastner 9th Inf, 2nd Inf Div as he embarking for Korea in July 1950 stenciled in the 1948 Regs chevron style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted February 4, 2021 Share #789 Posted February 4, 2021 59 minutes ago, patches said: Yes that one you posted above is a Vietnam War example, and would not be worn in the 50s, no insignia of this subdued type were worn then. This Air Force NCOs rank has to be either a stencil or drawn on. The Air Force being a new branch, and with new rank insignia, is in this case, just following the fashion of the day where some Marines and to a lesser extant, the Army, and stenciling or drawing on rank insignia on their HBT items. Here's an example of an Army Man, Master Sergeant Fastner 9th Inf, 2nd Inf Div as he embarking for Korea in July 1950 stenciled in the 1948 Regs chevron style. @patches Thanks for the response, and the info. Looking at the pic, is the other M/Sgt wearing those "mini" chevrons that I believe the Army used for a while? (I know very little about Army insignia.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 4, 2021 Share #790 Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, astra44 said: @patches Thanks for the response, and the info. Looking at the pic, is the other M/Sgt wearing those "mini" chevrons that I believe the Army used for a while? (I know very little about Army insignia.) Yes, he's wearing the Non Combat branch Chevrons. For your Reference, here's Theee Topic on the Army's 1948 Reg Chevrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted February 4, 2021 Share #791 Posted February 4, 2021 It's a shame we can't see the left lapels, but I assume these are the insignia being worn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted February 4, 2021 Share #792 Posted February 4, 2021 Great pic (post#972) @seanmc1114. Don't see many photos of that transitional period in color. I am sure you are correct about the collar brass. Attached a couple of pics of my dad with that open-cut US and prop/wing insignia on his shirt collars, and his jacket lapels. (Celle, Germany, during Berlin Airlift period, 1949) ---- [Apologies if I have posted these pics before, elsewhere in this thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 5, 2021 Share #793 Posted February 5, 2021 5 hours ago, astra44 said: Great pic (post#972) @seanmc1114. Don't see many photos of that transitional period in color. I am sure you are correct about the collar brass. Attached a couple of pics of my dad with that open-cut US and prop/wing insignia on his shirt collars, and his jacket lapels. (Celle, Germany, during Berlin Airlift period, 1949) ---- [Apologies if I have posted these pics before, elsewhere in this thread] Great photos. Any idea on the shoulder patches? Hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted February 5, 2021 Share #794 Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, patches said: Great photos. Any idea on the shoulder patches? Hard to tell. @patches I know from other photos that the right shoulder patch is the USSTAF shield. Left, I don't know. He was with the (317th Maintenance Squadron) 317th Troop Carrier Wing, during the Airlift. I've attached an early version graphic of the insignia for the 317th, but is that what he's wearing? It doesn't look like it to me. ---------------------------- Another pic of my old man just a few months later, in that same khaki uniform with the transitional collar brass. (Biggs Filed, El Paso, January,1950.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 5, 2021 Share #795 Posted February 5, 2021 3 hours ago, astra44 said: @patches I know from other photos that the right shoulder patch is the USSTAF shield. Left, I don't know. He was with the (317th Maintenance Squadron) 317th Troop Carrier Wing, during the Airlift. I've attached an early version graphic of the insignia for the 317th, but is that what he's wearing? It doesn't look like it to me. ---------------------------- Another pic of my old man just a few months later, in that same khaki uniform with the transitional collar brass. (Biggs Filed, El Paso, January,1950.) USSTAF Patch check. Maybe the other is U.S. Army Air Force Europe?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted February 5, 2021 Share #796 Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, patches said: USSTAF Patch check. Maybe the other is U.S. Army Air Force Europe?? @patches Possibly. But would both of those be worn on same uniform? I do have an example of an AAF Europe patch on a transition period Ike, with the brass cut-out collar brass. But no patch at all on right shoulder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted February 5, 2021 Share #797 Posted February 5, 2021 Lieutenant General Lauris Norstad, USAF on the front cover of Life Magazine dated November 1, 1948. Upon close examination of the photo ones can see his is wearing his transitional US Army officer uniform with the new gold USAF buttons. The photo and description come from the following site: https://usafflagranks.com/usaf_transitional_period_uniform.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted February 16, 2021 Share #798 Posted February 16, 2021 Jacket offered this past weekend at the Sacramento Antique St Fair, WW2 overcoat with AAF patch and Airmen First Class (is that designation correct?) chevrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 16, 2021 Share #799 Posted February 16, 2021 11 hours ago, easterneagle87 said: Jacket offered this past weekend at the Sacramento Antique St Fair, WW2 overcoat with AAF patch and Airmen First Class (is that designation correct?) chevrons. That's a great overcoat, it has cuff tabs, is there a date in it, are the buttons standard Federal Eagle buttons or the Air Force Brass type sean posted? The grade title at this time will be Private First Class, it's in 1952 these change In 1952 Airman Grades, Titles and Terms of Address were revised to make the following changes: Airman Basic (no stripes), Airman Third Class (one stripe), Airman Second Class (two stripes), Airman 1st Class (three stripes), Staff Sergeant through Master Sergeant, no change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted February 16, 2021 Share #800 Posted February 16, 2021 The buttons on the overcoat are Federal eagle buttons. I can be yours for $95, but he usually makes deals. He’ll be there next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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